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[denizaksulu]

As an outsider, i am able to have an impartial look at both points of view. The bottom line is, Turks are wrong, Greeks are right.

So you’re right, there is no point continuing this debate with you, as you are clearly bias and blinkered in your views.

I almost fell off my chair reading this...VP,now you have been told by steve from uk....Turks are Wrong and Greeks are right...100%...

ehmmm,steve???? what do you think about the Turkish Cypriots????
Are they 100% wrong as well????
What about the British??? Why did you have to abandon us,Cypriots???
Didn't you realise we were going to slit each others throats????
maybe it is all the British fault??? What do you think steve????

The British came to Cyprus to civilise us,Cypriots,but left before the job was done??? Why did you do that ,steve??? I think it is all your fault,100%!!!

Really? Wasn't it the Otto-Turks who first "sold" Cyprus?

Sometimes things really are black and white. The Ottomans were 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in occupying Cyprus.

In 1571, the Ottomans had every right to take Cyprus from the Venetians. Period. The Venetians were a pain in the Ottomans arse.

And the Ottomans were known as the "sick man of Europe"! Since Turkey is such a pain in the arse, does this mean that Europe (EU) has the right to take Turkey?

Things happen differently now Paphitis. No one gets sent overseas anymore for stealing an apple. Instead they have paid for holidays at taxpayers expense. I only picked on the 1571 event and not later. I did not and do not and never will approve of the occupation of my homeland by an occupying force - just like any normal Cypriot.

[Oracle]

As an outsider, i am able to have an impartial look at both points of view. The bottom line is, Turks are wrong, Greeks are right.

So you’re right, there is no point continuing this debate with you, as you are clearly bias and blinkered in your views.

I almost fell off my chair reading this...VP,now you have been told by steve from uk....Turks are Wrong and Greeks are right...100%...

ehmmm,steve???? what do you think about the Turkish Cypriots????
Are they 100% wrong as well????
What about the British??? Why did you have to abandon us,Cypriots???
Didn't you realise we were going to slit each others throats????
maybe it is all the British fault??? What do you think steve????

The British came to Cyprus to civilise us,Cypriots,but left before the job was done??? Why did you do that ,steve??? I think it is all your fault,100%!!!

Really? Wasn't it the Otto-Turks who first "sold" Cyprus?

Sometimes things really are black and white. The Ottomans were 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in occupying Cyprus.

In 1571, the Ottomans had every right to take Cyprus from the Venetians. Period. The Venetians were a pain in the Ottomans arse.

By what logic?

Why did the Ottomans, who were nomads from the East, have a right to take anybody's land away from them in these parts, and without limits?

Why didn't the Ottomans just take "Venice" if they had issue with Venetians?

Really, Deniz, your capacity to see things clearly and fairly is seriously flawed.

[denizaksulu]

As an outsider, i am able to have an impartial look at both points of view. The bottom line is, Turks are wrong, Greeks are right.

So you’re right, there is no point continuing this debate with you, as you are clearly bias and blinkered in your views.

I almost fell off my chair reading this...VP,now you have been told by steve from uk....Turks are Wrong and Greeks are right...100%...

ehmmm,steve???? what do you think about the Turkish Cypriots????
Are they 100% wrong as well????
What about the British??? Why did you have to abandon us,Cypriots???
Didn't you realise we were going to slit each others throats????
maybe it is all the British fault??? What do you think steve????

The British came to Cyprus to civilise us,Cypriots,but left before the job was done??? Why did you do that ,steve??? I think it is all your fault,100%!!!

Really? Wasn't it the Otto-Turks who first "sold" Cyprus?

Sometimes things really are black and white. The Ottomans were 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in invading Cyprus. The Turks are 100% wrong in occupying Cyprus.

In 1571, the Ottomans had every right to take Cyprus from the Venetians. Period. The Venetians were a pain in the Ottomans arse.

By what logic?

Why did the Ottomans, who were nomads from the East, have a right to take anybody's land away from them in these parts, and without limits?

Why didn't the Ottomans just take "Venice" if they had issue with Venetians?

Really, Deniz, your capacity to see things clearly and fairly is seriously flawed.

Logic?

Among other things, Cyprus was in the under belly of Asia Minor. A hiding place of Maltese and other christian corsairs who regularly attacked shipping which were under the protection of the Ottomans.

Ofcourse, Cyprus was then famous for its wines. Slik the Sot (the famous drunkard Ottoman sultan) Selim II wanted to get his hands on the Cyprus wine industry.

Given time, they would have attacked Venice once Vienna was conquered, but that was not to be.

Read about Josef Nasi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nasi

During the war between the Ottomans and the Republic of Venice, Nasi's negotiations with the Jewish community in Venetian-ruled Cyprus were uncovered, and, as a result, the Jewish population of Famagusta (with the exception of Jews who were natives of the city) was expelled in June 1568 (see History of the Jews in Cyprus).[7] It is believed that he intended parts of Cyprus to be a Jewish colony, and encouraged the Ottoman annexation of Cyprus in the war to that end; he was granted a coat of arms by Selim that indicated he would be given viceregal rank in that colony.[8] Nasi's relative Abraham Beneviste (Righetto Marrano) was arrested in 1570, on charges of having set fire to the Venetian Arsenal on Nasi's instigation.[9]

Maintaining contacts with William the Silent,[10] Nasi encouraged the Netherlands to revolt against Spain, a major adversary of the Ottoman Empire (the rebellion was ultimately carried out by the Union of Utrecht, as the start of the Eighty Years' War).[11] For this and other achievements, he was appointed by Selim to become the Duke of Naxos; he also later became the Count of Andros. Represented locally by one Francesco Coronello,[4] Nasi mainly ruled the Duchy from his palace of Belvedere, where he also maintained his own Hebrew printing press (kept by his wife and cousin, Doña Reyna, after Joseph's death).

[edit] Settling Tiberias
Joseph Nasi is best known to history for his

[Oracle]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

[denizaksulu]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

[Paphitis]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

We have already established that the GO Church is in fact treasonous and anti Cypriot. They have supported many crimes in Cyprus, which makes them more Turk and definitely NOT Greek or Cypriot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

[denizaksulu]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

We have already established that the GO Church is in fact treasonous and anti Cypriot. They have supported many crimes in Cyprus, which makes them more Turk and definitely NOT Greek or Cypriot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

[Paphitis]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

We have already established that the GO Church is in fact treasonous and anti Cypriot. They have supported many crimes in Cyprus, which makes them more Turk and definitely NOT Greek or Cypriot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

You look quite shocked.

The GO Church was an accomplice to the massacre of 20,000 Cypriots and it masterminded the destruction of the true Hellenic/Cypriot identity!

[denizaksulu]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

We have already established that the GO Church is in fact treasonous and anti Cypriot. They have supported many crimes in Cyprus, which makes them more Turk and definitely NOT Greek or Cypriot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

You look quite shocked.

The GO Church was an accomplice to the massacre of 20,000 Cypriots and it masterminded the destruction of the true Hellenic/Cypriot identity!

Hmmm. Do you reckon the GO Church invited the Ottomans to invade the island?

No wonder Oracle is sputing lava at you. Whicj Phoenix are we to be wary of?

When I first read the topic, I took it as a joke. You are serious arent you?

[Paphitis]

Again, by what logic does any of the above give the Ottomans "rights" to take Cyprus?

You clearly do not know the meaning of "rights" Deniz, as we have already established on another thread.

A thought for the day, for you!

Those days they were considered rights Oracle. Its called self-preservation and it can come in many disguises.

What rights did your Helenic Brothers have to invade and spread into Anatolia in 1919. Easy gain at the expense of the crumbling Otto Empire or was it winner gets it all (being part of the victorious allies.

If you bothered to read the link, you would have found out the oppressive nature of the Venetian rule. It wasnt only the GO church was it. It was also aganst the Cypriot Jews they 'sorted' out by expelling them. The Jews Like the GO's were the favoured subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They needed protection. They got it. But that comes at a price. Heavy taxes if you like. We have gone through this before but you will play your own bouzouki/agenda.

We have already established that the GO Church is in fact treasonous and anti Cypriot. They have supported many crimes in Cyprus, which makes them more Turk and definitely NOT Greek or Cypriot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27970

You look quite shocked.

The GO Church was an accomplice to the massacre of 20,000 Cypriots and it masterminded the destruction of the true Hellenic/Cypriot identity!

Hmmm. Do you reckon the GO Church invited the Ottomans to invade the island?

No wonder Oracle is sputing lava at you. Whicj Phoenix are we to be wary of?

When I first read the topic, I took it as a joke. You are serious arent you?

Oracle is just one very confused woman. One minute she is atheist, the next minute she is lighting a candle.

Yes, I am very serious Deniz. The GO Church, led the Ottomans to the Nicosia and Famagusta gates. They were partly responsible for the fall of Cyprus and the island's Turkification. And now they have the audacity to act all high and almighty!