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[runaway]

Turkey/’TRNC’ cannot.

says who? EU support of public is all time low. Government made it clear KKTC is more important than membership talks. Status quo can go on another 135 years.

That's a nice grandstanding when Turkey has nothing to lose at this point, because Turkey needs to reform before she can even become a EU member. Cyprus is the last obstacle in her way, but if Turkey were to be serious about becoming a EU member and that the EU gave them the green light, then lets see Turkey make the same statement. I doubt it very much. Why would Turkey go through all the reform changes in Turkey to become a EU member if they are going to say in the end, "err, sorry EU, we rather keep northern part of Cyprus than become a full member".! Not likely.!

What reform are you taking about?

He's talking about the reforms EU member Greece has done: refusing to build a mosque in the capital, banning the word "Turk" in Western Thrace, not recognizing the imams elected by Western Thrace Turks etc etc etc. Türkiye should follow the example of her dear neighbour.

[Viewpoint]

runaway hardly look like a country preparing for EU entry, the reforms have all but stopped and they have clearly stated they will always choose the TRNC over EU entry if forced to choose. The notion of EU entry is more important to Turkey than actually entry they are more than 20 years away from getting anywhere near the criteria necessary plus as you all know I do not think Turkey is a European country so its place is not in the EU but like Switzerland an independent country with no obligations ties or handicaps linked to other countries.

[paliometoxo]

Turkey/’TRNC’ cannot.

says who? EU support of public is all time low. Government made it clear KKTC is more important than membership talks. Status quo can go on another 135 years.

That's a nice grandstanding when Turkey has nothing to lose at this point, because Turkey needs to reform before she can even become a EU member. Cyprus is the last obstacle in her way, but if Turkey were to be serious about becoming a EU member and that the EU gave them the green light, then lets see Turkey make the same statement. I doubt it very much. Why would Turkey go through all the reform changes in Turkey to become a EU member if they are going to say in the end, "err, sorry EU, we rather keep northern part of Cyprus than become a full member".! Not likely.!

What reform are you taking about?

He's talking about the reforms EU member Greece has done: refusing to build a mosque in the capital, banning the word "Turk" in Western Thrace, not recognizing the imams elected by Western Thrace Turks etc etc etc. Türkiye should follow the example of her dear neighbour.

turkey is 20 steps ahead of greece in that department dont worry.. so is the trnc

look what happens when we recognise the turkish as a minority they invade and try split our land in two.. you people ban kurdihs language let alone greek and churches?? haha they only dont destroy the apostolos antreas because it makes them money and they put turkish flags infront of them..

so look at your own mumma turkey before talking about greece. they are right to do what they ared doing.. there is no trusting the turks.

i agree with vp turkey is not in the eu.

[runaway]

you people ban kurdihs language .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_6

Your turn to show evidence of a TV in Turkish language run by Greek state.

None????? I thought so bright boy.

[paliometoxo]

well greece cant risk the turks trying to split up greece and demanding their own state there to... its bad enough you people took cyprus and split it in half.

[runaway]

well greece cant risk the turks trying to split up greece and demanding their own state there to... its bad enough you people took cyprus and split it in half.

p: Turkey bans Kurdish language. Give rights to Kurds.
r: We've got TRT6. Greece bans Turkish. Give rights to Turks.
p: No way. We're the spoilt child of Europe.Greece is on top of the world immune from any human rights.
r: ..........

sözün bittiği yer bu olsa gerek

[Oracle]

you people ban kurdihs language .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRT_6

Your turn to show evidence of a TV in Turkish language run by Greek state.

None????? I thought so bright boy.

Turkish isn't banned in Greece. In fact they recently had a conference to teach Turkish and invited Turkish speakers .... paid for by the Greek authorities!

Ask BirKibrisli

The reason they don't broadcast in Turkish, is that they don't have 20 million Turks living there (thank god)

[paliometoxo]

well greece cant risk the turks trying to split up greece and demanding their own state there to... its bad enough you people took cyprus and split it in half.

p: Turkey bans Kurdish language. Give rights to Kurds.
r: We've got TRT6. Greece bans Turkish. Give rights to Turks.
p: No way. We're the spoilt child of Europe.Greece is on top of the world immune from any human rights.
r: ..........

sözün bittiği yer bu olsa gerek

not really no one is..but turks think they are with no regard to human rght law who voilate them and IGNORE EU and UN laws who think they can do what they want who think everyone should be like them take take take and give nothing..

why does turkey give no rights to the kurish then and greece are the spoilt ones? what does tha make the ape turkish country then?

plus if greece where to give their turkish minority any say and recognise them turkey would come up with some stupid excuse to send troops invade and claim their own state.. no thanks..

not that i care what happens in greece but i can understand why they dont give the turkish anyting

[Malapapa]

Kikapu you asked,Why would Turkey go through all the reform changes in Turkey to become a EU member if they are going to say in the end, "err, sorry EU, we rather keep northern part of Cyprus than become a full member".! There are two parts to the response : first, EU candidacy status was given at Helsinki under the predecessors to AKP (ironically, to Ecevit) so the AKP inherited candidate status over which their initial enthusiasm has waned. So there are many reforms made in the early/mid years of this decade which have now turned into a go-slow. The AKP has changed its mind about Europe.
Second, I don't think that it is an either-or in the AKP's view. If they see northern Cyprus as a bargaining chip then they're increasingly realising that EU accession is not a game in which they want to play this particular chip. Popular support in Turkey for the EU is at an all time low, and the AKP has lost any 'enthusiasm' that it had for the EU. (I fear that those concerned with Cyprus who think that EU accession was key to Turkey and therefore open to leverage on this issue have missed the boat).

I've no reason to doubt your assessment that Turkey's enthusiasm for EU membership has waned. Turkey's lack of progress towards reform is clear evidence of this.

This distinct lack of progress certainly presents a powerful argument for why no deal can ever be struck that would enable an unreformed and reticent Turkey's military (or influence generally) – however small – to be maintained on Cyprus.

This being so, there is no other leverage available except for the legal claims against Turkey by rightful property owners to gather momentum (with government backing) while the status quo is maintained. Meanwhile EU integration and the lifting of the isolation for the north remains in deep freeze.

[BirKibrisli]

Turkey/’TRNC’ cannot.

says who? EU support of public is all time low. Government made it clear KKTC is more important than membership talks. Status quo can go on another 135 years.

That's a nice grandstanding when Turkey has nothing to lose at this point, because Turkey needs to reform before she can even become a EU member. Cyprus is the last obstacle in her way, but if Turkey were to be serious about becoming a EU member and that the EU gave them the green light, then lets see Turkey make the same statement. I doubt it very much. Why would Turkey go through all the reform changes in Turkey to become a EU member if they are going to say in the end, "err, sorry EU, we rather keep northern part of Cyprus than become a full member".! Not likely.!

Kikapu you asked,Why would Turkey go through all the reform changes in Turkey to become a EU member if they are going to say in the end, "err, sorry EU, we rather keep northern part of Cyprus than become a full member".! There are two parts to the response : first, EU candidacy status was given at Helsinki under the predecessors to AKP (ironically, to Ecevit) so the AKP inherited candidate status over which their initial enthusiasm has waned. So there are many reforms made in the early/mid years of this decade which have now turned into a go-slow. The AKP has changed its mind about Europe.
Second, I don't think that it is an either-or in the AKP's view. If they see northern Cyprus as a bargaining chip then they're increasingly realising that EU accession is not a game in which they want to play this particular chip. Popular support in Turkey for the EU is at an all time low, and the AKP has lost any 'enthusiasm' that it had for the EU. (I fear that those concerned with Cyprus who think that EU accession was key to Turkey and therefore open to leverage on this issue have missed the boat).

I agree entirely...Plus in my opinion the AKP was never really keen on EU membership...They needed it to keep the Army at bay..Now that the Army is towing the line,they feel they need the EU stick less and less...The fat lady has not sang yet....but she is preparing to go on the stage...