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[Piratis]

You constantly and consistently deny that TC have any right to self determination

What I deny is that you have the right to steal our property or that a TC should have more voting power than a GC. Are these your rights?

You are the Cyprus problem personified as far as I am concerned.

So the cause of the "Cyprus problem" are the people that demand their human rights? Maybe this is your problem, since you would like to silence people like me so you can have no kind of consequences for the illegalities that you force.

[erolz]

What I deny is that you have the right to steal our property or that a TC should have more voting power than a GC. Are these your rights?

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We have no right to steal your property just as you had and have no right to steal our right to self determination. Equality of component states in a federal Cyprus in some areas is one way to protect the smaller TC community from the larger GC one - just as equality of nations within he EU is a way of protecting smaller states from larger ones. It is not a right but a possible solution.

So the cause of the "Cyprus problem" are the people that demand their human rights? Maybe this is your problem, since you would like to silence people like me so you can have no kind of consequences for the illegalities that you force.

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More emotive and over dramatical hysteronics from you. Where have I tried to silence you. I said I no longer see any point in trying to have sensible discussions with you and with each post you convince me that I am correct in this view.
Someone who insist on total respect for their rights, whilst they have historicaly denied the rights to others and continues to deny those rights today is a personification of the Cyprus problem and you are such a person as far as I am concerned. Rant and lecture and distort all you like.

[Piratis]

I denied NONE of your rights. Your rights are what all minorities in all countries in the world have, and I denied NONE of them.

You are the one who denies our rights!

[erolz]

I denied NONE of your rights. Your rights are what all minorities in all countries in the world have, and I denied NONE of them.

You are the one who denies our rights!

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and if you call me as an indivdual a horse you can then deny all my indvdual rights as a human being and still claim you deny none of my rights - because I am a horse and have no human rights.

We are not a minority. If the GC had ruled Cyprus alone and as a sovreign natation and we decided to immigrate into this existing state then we would be a minority like many others in countries around the world. We did not and we are not. Cyprus as an independent sovreign nation was formed from the partnership of two communites. You did not like or want to share Cyprus then and you still do not want to do it now. You tried deciet and violence when you had the means and when that denial and abuse of our human rights and rights under the consitution of Cyprus cost you dearly and removed your ability to deny our rights with violence and force you reverted to whinging and whineing - all the time continuting to deny our rights. That is your choice but as long as you refuse to respect our rights as a community then do not be surprised if we are not that concerened with your rights.

[Piratis]

You are a minority. When USA was formed it already had blacks, and when Bulgarian state was formed it already had Turks, and when the Turkish state was formed it already had Greeks and Kurds etc etc.

Who is minority does not depend on when the state was formed.

here is the definition:

In sociology and in voting theory, a minority is a sub-group that forms less than half of the population, and — as a rule — is outnumbered by at least one other sub-group. (That is, it does not form either a majority or a plurality.) This can be used to categorize people of a different language, nationality, religion, culture, lifestyle or any characteristic, provided these people are accepted as part of the referent group.

TCs are a minority in Cyprus and this is a very simple fact

[DigenisAkritas]

I denied NONE of your rights. Your rights are what all minorities in all countries in the world have, and I denied NONE of them.

You are the one who denies our rights!

blah blah blah blah blah

and if you call me as an indivdual a horse you can then deny all my indvdual rights as a human being and still claim you deny none of my rights - because I am a horse and have no human rights.

We are not a minority. If the GC had ruled Cyprus alone and as a sovreign natation and we decided to immigrate into this existing state then we would be a minority like many others in countries around the world. We did not and we are not. Cyprus as an independent sovreign nation was formed from the partnership of two communites. You did not like or want to share Cyprus then and you still do not want to do it now. You tried deciet and violence when you had the means and when that denial and abuse of our human rights and rights under the consitution of Cyprus cost you dearly and removed your ability to deny our rights with violence and force you reverted to whinging and whineing - all the time continuting to deny our rights. That is your choice but as long as you refuse to respect our rights as a community then do not be surprised if we are not that concerened with your rights.

Minority:

"A group which is smaller in number than the rest of the population of a State, whose members have ethnic, religious or linguistic features different from those of the rest of the population, and are guided, if only implicitly, by the will to safeguard their culture, traditions, religion or language. Any group coming within the terms of this definition shall be treated as an ethnic, religious or linguistic minority. To belong to a minority shall be a matter of individual choice"

Ho hum......

You're not going to get the 50-50 deal you TMT apologist, face reality.

[erolz]

TCs are a minority in Cyprus and this is a very simple fact

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TC are a numerical minority in Cyprus that is a fact. Just as it is a fact that the RoC is a numerical minority within the EU. That is also a fact. This fact does not mean we are or have to be politicaly minority. That is a GC nationalist and extremist maximal demand not a fact. One that you failed to secure in 1960 agreements, failed to secure with violence and deciet in 63-74 and will coninue to fail to secure today - and now at the cost of your own rights unlike before 74.

[-mikkie2-]

We are not a minority.

Erol,

You sound colmpletely ridiculous.

The bottom line is you ARE a minority in Cyprus and always were. Arguing to the contrary IS ridiculous.

Why can't you accept that you ARE a minority in Cyprus?

[DigenisAkritas]

We are not a minority.

Erol,

You sound colmpletely ridiculous.

The bottom line is you ARE a minority in Cyprus and always were. Arguing to the contrary IS ridiculous.

Why can't you accept that you ARE a minority in Cyprus?

Allah told him so.

[Piratis]

Just as it is a fact that the RoC is a numerical minority within the EU.

RoC is a country. You are not a country, you are the 18% minority of a country. Just like UK is in the EU, and UK has its own minorities, just like France is in EU and it has its own minorities etc etc.
Cyprus is an EU country and the minorities of Cyprus can have what the minorities of all other EU countries have.