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[Piratis]

What a shame for you.

What a shame for you for supporting the killing of 6000 people, and the ethnic cleansing of 1/3rd of this island from the people that lived there for 3500 years. You are the last people on earth that can say this to me.

[Piratis]

You said that MOST TC fled their homes for a poltical objective.

I said the political objective that came from above (Turkey). Obviously to convince many TCs to work towords this objective they didn't tell them: "leave your homes and concentrate to certain areas because this serves our objective" instead they told that that their life was in danger etc.

We want the kind of political equality we had in the 1960 consitution and was st9olen from us with force and violence and decpetion in the 60's.

So you want everything that you had in 1960 consitution but you don't want to give to us everything that we had?

[Piratis]

And that to you is 'sharing' the pain? All GC can chose to go back or not and if they chose to not go back they will be compensated but ALL TC (living in former GC prioperty today) will have no choice.

No actually it is not sharing the pain exactly. The GCs had to stay away from their homes for 30 years (many of them died waiting), and as I said the return could be done slowly which means they will have to wait some more years. Also the GCs had to forcefully move out from their homes, leaving behind everything they had and for 30 years they could not use.
On the other hand, the TCs can move out from a house that does not belong to them slowly when they will already have a new home (they will not have to live in tents, like GCs did). So what else do you want?

Your other question has been answered in the other thread that you give link.

Sorry for posting 3 messages, but for some reason I get an error with long posts. Anybody else got this?

[erolz]

Sorry for posting 3 messages, but for some reason I get an error with long posts. Anybody else got this?

Working ok here as far as I can tell.

[erolz]

instead they told that that their life was in danger etc.

and why was such a statement believed by so many TC ?

So you want everything that you had in 1960 consitution but you don't want to give to us everything that we had?

You said TC want more from a settlement than they had before. This is not true. Wanting some form of poltical equality is not wanting more than we had. I accept that in practicle terms we can not have exactly what we had in 1960 - as I expect you to accept the same but that they should be equivalent. So you can have your land back in some case and in others you can have an equivalent and we can have an equivalent form of poltical equality to what we had.

It does not matter what I say to you Piratis. It does not matter what the reality is. You have made up your mind - TC are theifs who want to gain more than they ever had and even when they ask for equivalent to what they had you use this as 'proof' that they want more.

[Piratis]

Erolz, TC had a form of political equality, but now they also want almost 1/3rd of the island as their own state, which is something they didn't have before. Isn't that alone a whole lot more than what they had in 1974?

Personally I believe the kind of political equality that existed in the 1960 agreement could work by todays standards if we remove the reasons that caused the conflict in the 60s (nationalism, demands for enosis-partition, 30% TC governmental jobs).

However a separate TC state, without an equally huge compromise from the real legal rights of TCs to balance it out, it is something that clearly makes the TCs the winners and GCs the losers of such an agreement.

[erolz]

Erolz, TC had a form of political equality, but now they also want almost 1/3rd of the island as their own state, which is something they didn't have before. Isn't that alone a whole lot more than what they had in 1974?

Were we asking for this throughout the 60's or in the agreements that were ready to be signed by TC side in 74 prior to T action that Makarios refused to sign? No we were not. A federated solution is not something that TC just decided to demand. It has grown out of 30 years of negotiation and is recognised and apparently accepted by both sides as the way forward.

[faruk]

actually the fact is TC had to move out from their homes or maybe we can say them Gettos inwich groups of TC were living and regroup their gettos in north side and unite them.

And that to you is 'sharing' the pain? All GC can chose to go back or not and if they chose to not go back they will be compensated but ALL TC (living in former GC prioperty today) will have no choice.

No actually it is not sharing the pain exactly. The GCs had to stay away from their homes for 30 years (many of them died waiting), and as I said the return could be done slowly which means they will have to wait some more years. Also the GCs had to forcefully move out from their homes, leaving behind everything they had and for 30 years they could not use.
On the other hand, the TCs can move out from a house that does not belong to them slowly when they will already have a new home (they will not have to live in tents, like GCs did). So what else do you want?

Your other question has been answered in the other thread that you give link.

Sorry for posting 3 messages, but for some reason I get an error with long posts. Anybody else got this?

[Piratis]

actually the fact is TC had to move out from their homes or maybe we can say them Gettos inwich groups of TC were living and regroup their gettos in north side and unite them.

So there you go. The TCs had this as a plan, to move in specific regions in the north and then unite them to achieve partition. I don't think this is a secret, I don't understand why some people insist that TCs were doing nothing to achieve their plan for partition and they put all the blame on GCs.

[erolz]

I don't understand why some people insist that TCs were doing nothing to achieve their plan for partition and they put all the blame on GCs.

Who has insisted this? No one as far as I recall. I have time and again accepted that there were TC elements working for partition. What I do not accept is that it was in the persuit of partition that MOST TC fled their homes and not as a result of GC violence and fear of such. I refuse to accept this because it is NOT TRUE.

Why do GC insist that it was mostly TC and Turks that caused so many TC to flee their homes in the 60's? The answer is obvious.