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Postby 2fan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:35 pm

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Hardly double standards. TCs have not murdered innocent GCs to the sum of about 35000 as the PKK have in eastern Turkey. They did not rebel, it was the Junta that started this conflict and the Turks simply finished it.


Typical American ignorance, I have explained this in many other posts and refuse to simply repeat myself again. Next you will tell me Vietnam was a 'Good intentions gone awry' story.


What's ignorant of my observation? Is it because it doesn't fit your definition of what occured? Or could it be my simple summation of the events? I'll be glad to consider your opinion in 2 sentences. I wonder how many times you will try to repaint the same object and try to sell to me as new?

Viet Nam.....that's a whole different thread but typical of you changing the subject when your arguements don't hold water.
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Postby gabaston » Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:43 pm

erolz

thankx for the quick response - thought it was but just wanted to be sure.

ta


hey did someone mention vietnam?

JAA where r u your county's under attack again.
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Postby faruk » Sun Aug 07, 2005 7:57 pm

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They were not killed? Not if they followed what the Turks commanded. Otherwise they were cutting their head. I ask you again: Do you want to change position and be treated by us the way you treated us for centuries?

Give it trice.
This will not change the fact that barbarians invaded our country killing, raping and ethnically cleansing the majority of the population that has lived there for 3500 years.

Are you our friends or our enemies? If you are our friends, then give us back our land and we can live in a united island were all people are equal in a democratic country part of the EU were the human rights are fully respected.
If you are our enemy, then you will be treated us such and you should expect the worst since when the day will come we will respond in kind.



please do not make your ancestors upset. They made the best threat and organised killing actions if you missed that part of history please check papdoc who is your beloved leader.. He was the one of the member of Akritas organisation and EOKA which did not only threaten us but also killed and raped the TCs. meanwhile they also killed GCs and we saved them.

so lets go back to much old times. because the history of the island have not started 3500 years ago. Egyptians, Persians, Hittites and many other civilizations lived here. nevertheless, killers and rapers are subject to Greek side and famous one is your leader now.

I think you are going on your ancestors line which is leaded to ignore or worsely to destroy the TCs. We are your friends if you see us as friend.. We are your enemies if you see us as enemy. and when the day will come which you promise then we ll defend ourselves. and you showed us human rights and democracy between 1960-1974 and still you and EU are showing human rigths ignoring even the basic rights of TCs
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:55 pm

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I suggest u to know more about history and the social and politic events. because that were the times of emerging of nation-states so all these states wanted their independence because of this fact. Nationalism was the major ideal in those times for. besides, maybe you know about the Quebec whih is located within the Canada and they want authonomy and apart from her. so do you think that they want it because Canadian people or government are killing, insulting or raping them? the answer is definetely no. they support partition just because of language difference...maybe it is seen very simple for you but it is not for them and all the reason was nationalism in that period.



you make no sense. quebec wants partition for different reasons mainly because of the huge taxes they have to pay to the central government.

french is an official language of canada and claiming that quebec wants partition cause of different language is BEYOND ignorance.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Mon Aug 08, 2005 7:14 am

2fan wrote:
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2fan wrote:Chomsie:

Hardly double standards. TCs have not murdered innocent GCs to the sum of about 35000 as the PKK have in eastern Turkey. They did not rebel, it was the Junta that started this conflict and the Turks simply finished it.


Typical American ignorance, I have explained this in many other posts and refuse to simply repeat myself again. Next you will tell me Vietnam was a 'Good intentions gone awry' story.


What's ignorant of my observation? Is it because it doesn't fit your definition of what occured? Or could it be my simple summation of the events? I'll be glad to consider your opinion in 2 sentences. I wonder how many times you will try to repaint the same object and try to sell to me as new?

Viet Nam.....that's a whole different thread but typical of you changing the subject when your arguements don't hold water.


The point is, is that The Turkish Army has killed FAR more innocents than the PKK ever will be able to. Some Turks are diseased with ultra-nationalism, they are not to be trusted, they must either be cured of their disease or put in quarantine so as not to spread their sickness around.
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Postby erolz » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:32 pm

ChomskyFan wrote: Some Turks are diseased with ultra-nationalism, they are not to be trusted, they must either be cured of their disease or put in quarantine so as not to spread their sickness around.


Should ultra-nationalist of other nations be treated the same as well in your view?
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Postby ChomskyFan » Mon Aug 08, 2005 1:34 pm

erolz wrote:
ChomskyFan wrote: Some Turks are diseased with ultra-nationalism, they are not to be trusted, they must either be cured of their disease or put in quarantine so as not to spread their sickness around.


Should ultra-nationalist of other nations be treated the same as well in your view?


It depends, like, Venezuelans are called 'ultra-nationalists' because they believe in Economic Nationalism from America and not becoming an American Protectorate in the Latin America. Turkish Ultra-Nationalism is far more dangerous, it has killed millions.
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Postby faruk » Sat Aug 13, 2005 5:01 pm

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you make no sense. quebec wants partition for different reasons mainly because of the huge taxes they have to pay to the central government.

french is an official language of canada and claiming that quebec wants partition cause of different language is BEYOND ignorance.


but their arguing point is language beyand ignorance. i wanted to mean the effect of the nation-state with that which caused the disintegrartion of the Balkan States. So the reason was the effect of nationalism and willingless to pay taxes to Ottomans and it is again related with nation-state ideal rather than killing, raping.
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