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Postby gabaston » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:19 am

hey we could cite a few war crimes too

grivas kophinou 1967
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:20 am

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Postby ChomskyFan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:21 am

gabaston wrote:hey we could cite a few war crimes too

grivas kophinou 1967


Yeh I know, The Whole of presently occupied Cyprus, 1974.
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Postby Turkey (( * » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:38 am

Uhhmm, ChomskyFan, you can NOT support all actions of Abdullah Ocalan.Because he cannot do any actions in a prison cell :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby ChomskyFan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:41 am

Turkey (( * wrote:Uhhmm, ChomskyFan, you can NOT support all actions of Abdullah Ocalan.Because he cannot do any actions in a prison cell :lol: :lol: :lol:


The PKK seem to be operating just fine without him.

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Postby erolz » Sun Aug 07, 2005 11:55 am

Chomskyfan now I have a long artivle for you to read

http://www.chomsky.info/debates/19671215.htm

Noam Chomsky in above link wrote:Formulated in these terms, the advocates of a qualified commitment to nonviolence have a pretty strong case. I think they can claim with very much justice that in almost all real circumstances there is a better way than resort to violence.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:07 pm

erolz wrote:Chomskyfan now I have a long artivle for you to read

http://www.chomsky.info/debates/19671215.htm

Noam Chomsky in above link wrote:Formulated in these terms, the advocates of a qualified commitment to nonviolence have a pretty strong case. I think they can claim with very much justice that in almost all real circumstances there is a better way than resort to violence.

Ok, I'll tell you what Erolz, I'll go halfway with you, and I'll bring up another Chomsky quote:

"Those who justify [Terrorism against Innocents] don't have a leg to stand on, just as those who justify Turkish policy don't have a leg to stand on."
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Postby erolz » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:17 pm

ChomskyFan wrote:Ok, I'll tell you what Erolz, I'll go halfway with you, and I'll bring up another Chomsky quote:


I have no idea what you mean about 'going halfway'?

Quoting something without a link and where the context of thge quote can not be known is to me pretty pointless.

It is imo easy to claim to be a 'fan' of Noam Chomsky and throw quotes around that support your pre concived notions without context and ignore those aspects of his work that do not. It is imo alot harder to understand what he says and live in a manner that is conssitency with these ideologies.
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Postby ChomskyFan » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:27 pm

erolz wrote:
ChomskyFan wrote:Ok, I'll tell you what Erolz, I'll go halfway with you, and I'll bring up another Chomsky quote:


I have no idea what you mean about 'going halfway'?

Quoting something without a link and where the context of thge quote can not be known is to me pretty pointless.

It is imo easy to claim to be a 'fan' of Noam Chomsky and throw quotes around that support your pre concived notions without context and ignore those aspects of his work that do not. It is imo alot harder to understand what he says and live in a manner that is conssitency with these ideologies.


I think my post made it PERFECTLY clear, you justify Turkish policy with regards to the Kurds, ergo, you have no leg to stand on.

I presume you just skim over the parts of Chomsky that question Turkish policy (which he does quite often). As demonstrated:

"Aggression is fine if it's in U.S. interests. It's bad only if it's opposed to U.S. interests. Turkey invaded northern Cyprus, broke it up, killed two thousand people, tried to destroy relics of Greek civilization, drove out 200,000 people. That was fine. Turkey is our ally."
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Postby MicAtCyp » Sun Aug 07, 2005 5:39 pm

PLEASE NOTICE:

Previous references to crusadors, WWII, Mohamed,Islam,Christianity, etc have little to do with Cyprob so please avoid such extensive discussions on these issues in the future.The posts stayed, but similar posts will be deleted from now on.
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