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[Piratis]

1. If the way you were treating us for centuries was OK, would you accept to be treated in the same way? We will let you built as many Mosques as you want too.

2. Yes, TCs applied ethnic cleansing with the help of Turkey. This is a simple fact. You disagree?

3. So according to your logic, north Greece and the Greek islands were not liberated either because they were liberated after south Greece?

[faruk]

1. If the way you were treating us for centuries was OK, would you accept to be treated in the same way? We will let you built as many Mosques as you want too.

2. Yes, TCs applied ethnic cleansing with the help of Turkey. This is a simple fact. You disagree?

3. So according to your logic, north Greece and the Greek islands were not liberated either because they were liberated after south Greece?

1. you missed the point they also had the authonomy and they were not killed which opression are you talking about? and we have a history when you let us make settlements then you killed in tohse settlements. So there is a destroyed republic and self determination right of TC. and I mentioned all evidence about this subject. but you shift the issue to another way.
2. Turkey used her legal right for a peace keeping operation after the Greek fascist junta had the killing operations both TC and GC and it is granted by Greece which i am giving twice ;

Court of Cassation in Athens passed the following judgement on March 21, 1979 ( Decision No: 2658/ 79 ).

“ The Turkish Military interention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Accords was legal. Turkey as one of the Guarantor powers , had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits....... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for the intervention.”

3. So, ENOSIS is still in your logic that is the part of Megali Idea. that MEANS THE UNITING THE ISLAND WITH GREECE RATHER THAN LIBERATING THE ISLAND.

[gabaston]

constructing a road is for the benefit of the entire nation and in every democratic country the constituion states that such cases are allowed and the owners compensated.

i am referring to the constitution of every country - not specifically the one of cyprus -

okay so if every constitution of every democratic nation in the world supports me being compensated, where is it?

[magikthrill]

i still cannot understand though if the Ottomans were such caring rulers that did no oppress their inhabitants then why is that every ethnicity tried to gain independence from them? were they crazy or something or are you just feeding us the same bs they taught you in shcool?

[Piratis]

1. you missed the point they also had the authonomy and they were not killed which opression are you talking about? and we have a history when you let us make settlements then you killed in tohse settlements. So there is a destroyed republic and self determination right of TC. and I mentioned all evidence about this subject. but you shift the issue to another way.

They were not killed? Not if they followed what the Turks commanded. Otherwise they were cutting their head. I ask you again: Do you want to change position and be treated by us the way you treated us for centuries?

Turkey used her legal right for a peace keeping operation after the Greek fascist junta had the killing operations both TC and GC and it is granted by Greece which i am giving twice ;

Give it trice.
This will not change the fact that barbarians invaded our country killing, raping and ethnically cleansing the majority of the population that has lived there for 3500 years.

So, ENOSIS is still in your logic that is the part of Megali Idea. that MEANS THE UNITING THE ISLAND WITH GREECE RATHER THAN LIBERATING THE ISLAND.

Are you our friends or our enemies? If you are our friends, then give us back our land and we can live in a united island were all people are equal in a democratic country part of the EU were the human rights are fully respected.
If you are our enemy, then you will be treated us such and you should expect the worst since when the day will come we will respond in kind.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Are you our friends or our enemies? If you are our friends, then give us back our land and we can live in a united island were all people are equal in a democratic country part of the EU were the human rights are fully respected.
If you are our enemy, then you will be treated us such and you should expect the worst since when the day will come we will respond in kind.

Have we not said many times you will get your land back when we find a comprehensive solution, just as we will get back ours in the south. So work for a solution and not constanting wail on about land being stolen from you, as you know we all fucked up bad and couldnt live together without killing each other, so this has not happened for the last 31 years do you want to take a step back to those dark ages???

[magikthrill]

Have we not said many times you will get your land back when we find a comprehensive solution, just as we will get back ours in the south. So work for a solution and not constanting wail on about land being stolen from you, as you know we all fucked up bad and couldnt live together without killing each other, so this has not happened for the last 31 years do you want to take a step back to those dark ages???

actually VP i believe the dark ages refer to the midieval times during which the ottomans ruled eastern europe and anatolya. that was about 300-400 years. the period you refer to is not considered the dark ages, one of the reasons being that 15 years is not an "age".

[Viewpoint]

Have we not said many times you will get your land back when we find a comprehensive solution, just as we will get back ours in the south. So work for a solution and not constanting wail on about land being stolen from you, as you know we all fucked up bad and couldnt live together without killing each other, so this has not happened for the last 31 years do you want to take a step back to those dark ages???

actually VP i believe the dark ages refer to the midieval times during which the ottomans ruled eastern europe and anatolya. that was about 300-400 years. the period you refer to is not considered the dark ages, one of the reasons being that 15 years is not an "age".

I was referring to the dark ages in the following context;

"This is the name given to the Middle Ages from the fifth century through to the fourteenth century because of the apparent intellectual and moral ignorance or darkness of this period"

everything in that period does not relate to the Ottomans , although you are probably trying attribute anything negative to their empire, the idealogy behind my using the comparsion of the dark ages was the mentality and ignorance that reigned in those times in relation to what happened between our communites and the chance of a united Cyprus we squandered back in our mutual past. (Could have used dark years would that been simplier for you Magik?)

[bg_turk]

So according to your logic, north Greece and the Greek islands were not liberated either because they were liberated after south Greece?

Aegean macedonia and west thrace were "liberated" by ethnically clansing all slavs and turks from those territories by the Greek state. Yes you were liberated, you were given the freedom to steal lands that did not belong to you and kill people that have done no harm to you! THIEVES! KILLERS! RAPISTS!

[ChomskyFan]

So according to your logic, north Greece and the Greek islands were not liberated either because they were liberated after south Greece?

Aegean macedonia and west thrace were "liberated" by ethnically clansing all slavs and turks from those territories by the Greek state. Yes you were liberated, you were given the freedom to steal lands that did not belong to you and kill people that have done no harm to you! THIEVES! KILLERS! RAPISTS!

Unfortunately for your expansionism is the pattern of the Modern Nation State, The Byzantine Empire begat the Hellenic Republic (as frequently noted as 'The Empire that became a Nation'). The Modern Hellenic Republic as formed post-Revolution, was a small portion of The ever weakening Ottoman Empire, and thus, opportunism was rife - The Greeks considered such lands to be their ancestral homes, in keeping with what was to become The Megali i8ea which promoted expanisionism to restore the lost honour of Byzantium to Greece. Such expanisionism was justifiable in a Historical context, namely because they were Greek Ancestral lands, but it is important to note that such themes where common allthroughout the Ancient World, the president day Turkish Republic is founded on the blood of hundreds of Thousands, perhaps Millions, of those displaced and killed by the Seljuks in the farmlands and Towns to the East of Constantinopoli, not to mention the sack of the great city itself, regarded by most Historians as one of the greatest exercises of mass genocide in Human History.

However, it is interesting you should note expansionism in the Balkans, after all, it was Turkish settlers who began a gradual process of Islamization of the lands they inhabited (through repressive measures such as the Jizyah tax and frequent Town to Town raids, common in Albania), which drove out the largely Slavic Christian Orthodox population into present day Serbia, which begat the troubles that the Muslim extremists began to rile up their all throughout the nineties. The dream of the KLA's 'ethnically pure' Greater Albania for example, as one NATO General put it, "We don't have to worry about a Greater Serbia anymore, we have to worry about a Greater Albania." This is a common recurring theme among Muslim Expansionism though, you have to remember that Mohammed's message was brought by the Sword, and this is something that is indisputable, the Arabian Peninsula was united (albeit not willingly) by merciless Islam Imperialism after the capture of Medina, littered with countless examples of War Crimes, for example, when The prophet raided the 2000 year old Jewish communities of Medina, killed their men, confiscated their properties, enslaved their wives and children and banished the unwanted with no provocation on the part of he Jews. His sole motive was probably greed for their wealth (they were a wealthy tribe at the time) and lust for their women. It is intersting to note in earlier Arabic History however, that Mohammed only came to fame after the incident of Badr when Muhammad’s men ambushed a merchant caravan, and brought the booty (a very large sum) his fortunes changed. He was enriched by the stolen booty, and his popularity grew. He promised wealth and slave girls to those how took part in his armed robberies and paradise with houries and rivers of wine to those who were killed. After the Badr incident, it is no surprise that lots of people, mostly mercenaries and people looking for a quick buck, began to flock to his side. Money brings power as they say, and at a time of relative turmoil in the Arabic World, the conquest of the Peninsula followed soon after.

So as we can see, the beginning of Islam, right up until the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, is built on blood, thievery and in some cases (such as the Jews of Medina) genocide. Does this give me a right to question the territorial integrity of the Turkish Republic?