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[gabaston]

if your govt decides they can give your mum some, instead of leaving it derelict or building roads.

they got no problem knocking down my house and building a road.
what are they goiong to do about my house if we go back to 74? - answer at the very best, offer compensation at below market value. All of my community in my situation will be offered the same, at very very very best.

its become too messy - gc govt could not manage sorting it out - anyone who thinks so is dreaming - to go back to 74 is gc's govts biggest nightmare, but they dont tell you that. it would certainly bring down any govt. left, center or right. A logistical, practical, administatrive hole.

all my familly who return to kophinou cant even tell where there houses were. ideally in a simplistic world the idea of returning to pre 74 may seem fine. in the real world though it does not tackle the root problem of cyprob, and creates another nightmare mess that will take two to three generations to sort out, that is if tensions and hostilies dont resurface, and just reading this forum there is little chance of that.

At the very least there will be inter gc hostility with power struggles. This is cyprus. it is not greek cyprus, it is not british cyprus, turkish cyprus, venetian, ottoman, byzantine, it is cyprus. even without foreign rule still managed a war amongst its people.

[magikthrill]

constructing a road is for the benefit of the entire nation and in every democratic country the constituion states that such cases are allowed and the owners compensated. if a settlement is ever formed do you think GCs will knock down any universities or hospitals you built in the north in order to rebuild houses for the refugees? of course not.

the matter of the fact remains that your community left behind much less than what it gained at the expense of GCs.

[erolz]

the matter of the fact remains that your community left behind much less than what it gained at the expense of GCs.

No one disputes this. The dispute is how we can rectify this situation and the other situations that pre date and lead upto the creation of this situation.

[gabaston]

magik


wot constitution ?

now 40 years too late we suddenly like the constitution, that was in 63 impossible to uphold......sorry maj this is typically why we want out. you use the constitution only as or when it suits your objectives.

hey they built a road - i dont care, good - may everyone who passes on it, pace safely - no problem. may olive trees be planted along its side, and may doves of peace forever make love on its branches.



aaaaand may your govt give your mother my Kophinou road - hows that.
so where's m-y compensation then?

[magikthrill]

magik


wot constitution ?

now 40 years too late we suddenly like the constitution, that was in 63 impossible to uphold......sorry maj this is typically why we want out. you use the constitution only as or when it suits your objectives.

hey they built a road - i dont care, good - may everyone who passes on it, pace safely - no problem. may olive trees be planted along its side, and may doves of peace forever make love on its brances.



aaaaand may your govt give your mother my Kophinou road - hows that.
so where's m-y compensation then?

i am referring to the constitution of every country - not specifically the one of cyprus's - maybe next time ready every word not just whatever prat stick outs.

actually my moms property is nowheere near kophinou so keep dreaming. go request your compensation. maybe you can also request the end of the occupation too or is that not in your best interests?

[magikthrill]

the matter of the fact remains that your community left behind much less than what it gained at the expense of GCs.

No one disputes this. The dispute is how we can rectify this situation and the other situations that pre date and lead upto the creation of this situation.

actually erol if TCs understood this as a negative rather than a positive a solution would be much more approachable. however until then i dont see the reason why it hsould not be mentioned more often?

[erolz]

actually erol if TCs understood this as a negative rather than a positive a solution would be much more approachable. however until then i dont see the reason why it hsould not be mentioned more often?

Your perspective as I understand it (and in brief and general and if I am wrong then appologise etc etc in advance) is that TC do not want a solution because they will have to give back some land. My perspective is that TC do not want a solution if they have to give back some land whilst not having thier concerns addressed.

If 'not wanting to give back land' was such a major part of the failure to find a solution , then why was one not found in the ten years before you lost any land? There are surely other major factors than just this. However to me it is not the only 'stumbling block' there is for it it was there would have been an agreed solution pre 74.

[magikthrill]

My perspective is that TC do not want a solution if they have to give back some land whilst not having thier concerns addressed.

i believe you are wrong with this. political eqaulity is a conern of the TCs is i tnot?

if this concern is addressed then will TCs be wiling to give back the land that does not belong to them?

the answer is simple: of course not.

[erolz]

if this concern is addressed then will TCs be wiling to give back the land that does not belong to them?

the answer is simple: of course not.

We are willing to give back some land for some political equality as proved by our consent to the Annan plan. Are we prepared to give back ALL land that was GC pre 74, with all the 'pain' of that falling only on TC (that are not soley to blame for it) in return for some political equality? No I do not believe we are prepared to do that.

Again I would suggest that if you are really interested in what may or may not be acceptable to TC in general then Alexandro's hard work on his surveys is the best place to get it as far as I know.

[mehmetg]

I do not know that have you or any of you guys take a look on any solution document which served by other parties rather than TC or GC. But shortly I can easily say that in all plans or solution documents TC gives part of their current territory. It was same in Boutros Boutros Ghali's series of ideas for solution which consist of 7 different plans in series. It was also same in Annan Plan. And for all Turkey and TRNC agreed as long as they protect bizonal, bicommunual, bifederal solution. Furthermore TRNC offered Maras for solution. It is clear that territorial dispute is not a matter in Cyprus problem. At least for TRNC and Turkey.
In this context transigent side is GC government. All asked by TC is political equality. I wonder your ideas about how we can achieve it? The history shows that GCs and TCs can not live together. But they may live in a harmony, there can be neighborhood relations, there can be economic relations, there can be social, touristic relations but if and only if political equality is served and relations developed under the light of 2 equal states. So are GC friends ready to gave up their cherish for ENOSIS and ready to live the harmony?