MicAtCyp wrote:The truth and the whole truth and nothing but the truth, or the "truth" Denktash told you? Well lets see your truths:
Equal Pain though? You had your problems in the 60s.The GCs had most of the blame but not all. You lost about 1000 people.We lost the same number.Then in 1974 we lost 6000 plus 1600 missing. We had 200,000 refugees. You got 3 times as much land as you left behind.You took 20 times more valuable land than what you left behind.Yes we had 200,000 refugees living under the tents you had 50,000 of people moving into luxury. So is the pain the same?
Really? How come then, the first organised killing was done by TCs in 1958 in Kontemenos? Who did the first organised import of arms to be used exclussively against the other Community getting a whole ship with arms from Turkey in 1959?
It is a very big mistake to claim the suffering of the TCs was due exclussively to the actions of the GCs.Forgot your TMT and your leadership?
Oh really?Tell me were in the Akritas plan it says such a thing.
These are allegations.Do you have hard evidence? Yet we do have hard evidence of a map belonging to the TC Minister of Agriculture showing the 1974 Attila line from 1963 i.e 11 years before it even happened!!
thats why I said you need education.Both the TCs and the GCs have a right for self determination.This right does not give anyone the right to split the Country or annex it with another Country.So get your facts straight. You do not have any right to take the GC people out of their homes and lands and steal everything because this is not a legal practice of your self determination right.
We have destroyed the RoC? Not it's you who tried to destroy it by abandoning it and by freezing it's budget so it would collapse.It is you who called your mama to invade it and steal half of it in 1974 and it is you you set your own administration in the Nicosia enclave in 1963.
Yet much to your regret RoC is still alive thanks to the strong support of the GCs, The maronite Cypriots, The Armenian Cypriots, And the Latin Cypriots, i.e from ALL except you! And it is one of the 25 members of the EU.
Yet it is you who built Educational Museums of hate and like you said in another post you spend a lot of time educating yourself in there.
You will never be allowed to have your own state built by 90% on our stolen homes and lands, no matter how much you want it. If you want to be our neighbours you can build your own state in Southern Turkey.
By the way this is Lesson No 1. If you want to learn to count upto 200, it will cost you "yirmi lira" i.e 10%.
1- Your claim that “The first organized killing was done by the Turkish Cypriots in 1958” represents an injustice of gigantic proportions not only to Turkish Cypriots and history but also to many Greek Cypriots. Grivas and his men must be turning in their graves. They launched one of the best organized killing campaigns of their times, first against the British then against the Turkish Cypriots to annex the island to Greece killing even many Greek Cypriots on the way. Surely you are not giving Ceaser his due. Read Grivas memoirs ( The Memoirs of General Grivas- Edited By Charles Foley- Longmans.1964) if you want to know more about the secret shipments of arms into the island and “ organized killing par excellence” in the 1950’s. It is a terrorism masterpiece.
2- As to secret shipments of men and arms after independence which would lead to the destruction of the ROC, read the memoirs of Andreas Papandreou “ Democracy at Gunpoint”. It will tell you how Garofulyas, Greek Defence Minister at the time secretly shipped thousands of fully armed men and heavy weapons to the island . Greek force on the island came to be known as the augumented Greek Brigade and without the determined stance of Turkey would have surely finished off the Turkish Cypriots.... You can not be unaware of the massive arms shipments to Greek Cypriots by Gemal Abdel Nasser of Russian weaponary in the 1960’s. Some of these weapons –tanks armoured personnel carriers etc- are displayed in Karaoğlanoğlu museum in the TRNC. You can visit and see them if you want to. Maybe next, like Papadoc, you will tell me that you were threatened by a population around 20% of your size, living scattered all over the island in enclaves surviving on Turkish red-crescent aid, outgunned and outnumbered and economically suffocating Turkish Cypriots massacring, killing, and terrorizing you.. Maybe the UN force on the island, green line, Grivas attacks, Kophinou, Erenkoy, Tokhni, Muratağa, Atlılar and all that were a bad dream after all.
3-Only a Papadoc type mind could claim that on one side he acepts both sides on the island have the right of self determination, then turn round to claim that today’s 100% Greek Cypriot administration representing only South Cyprus is the Partnership Republic of 1960, then claim that the Turkish Cypriots have no right to split up the country and unite it with another country. The partnership Republic of 1960 was destroyed by Makarios through a secret army he set up before the ink of the 1960 Agreements dried up. Makarios entrusted Polycarpos Yorgacis, the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Partnerhip Republic, alongside your beloved President Papadoc, Minister of Labour then, to set up and command this secret army to finish off the Turkish Cypriots when time came. Do not tell me you are not aware of all these facts. I can not start from scratch to give you information and references for everything.
4-One gets puzzled equally whether the last bit of “uniting the island with another country” is a critism againt us or against the Greek Cypriot leadership. Refresh your memory pal. If it wasn’t for the bloody push for the annexation of the island to Greece- in other words realization of your beloved Enosis- the developments on the island would not have turned into a Greek tragedy.
5- Lieutenant General George Karayannis, who was the commander of the National Guard in 1964 admitted to an Athenian Daily that “ When the Turks objected to the amendment of the Constitution, Archbishop Makarios put his plan into action and Greek attack began in December 1963” ( Ethnikos Kryx, Athenian Daily, June 15, 1965)
6- This and the attacks that followed destroyed the partnership Republic, caused huge losses on the Turkish Cypriot side and Turkish Cypriots were pushed into enclaved scattered around the island surrounded by heavily armed Greek and the Greek Cypriot men. They faced attacks and the constant threat of attacks by the Greek Cypriots who had usurped the title of the government of the whole of Cyprus. This justice still continues. Turkish Cypriot contitutional rights, and even the most basic Human rights of the Turkish Cypriots were trampled upon. Economic embargoes were used to break the Turkish Cypriot resistance.
7-“I did not call my mamma to come invade and steal half of the country”as you put it. It was your frusturated fascist Mamma and beloved Ioannides who invaded Cyprus and slaughtered thousands of Greek Cypriots, burying many while alive, aimed at Enosis which made it inevitable for my Guarantor Mamma to come and save me. Makarios admitted in the speech he made at the Security Council on 19 July 1974 that the island was invaded by Greece and asked Greek Junta to withdraw her troops from the island. By the way also read Father Papapestos who explained how the Junta men were burying trackloads of Greek Cypriots, without any identification, some still moving their hands and legs. As if the local Greek Cypriot irregular and the illegal Greek Cypriot National Guard men were not enough, we then had to face the more professional and disciplined killers.
8-So your mamma is innocent for invading, but my mamma is guilty of counteracting. Come on pal. Ex Akel Leader Ezekias Papaioannu admitted that if it wasn’t for the Turkish intervention, thousands of AKEL supporters would have been shot by the Samson –Junta men. This is on record. I wish somebody could remind this to Dimitris Hristofyas, main backer of Papadoc. It was also the Turkish intervetion in Cyprus which brought the downfall of the Greek Junta.
9-Maybe the real problem for many Papadoc men is not who did what but is the fact that we managed to survive despite all this. Mass graves of Turkish Cypriots in Muratağa, Sandallar, Atlılar villages and the fate of Tohni show what would have happened to us had Guarantor Turkey not invoked her right of intervention and intervened.
10- Is it Papadoc who gave your the idea that you owned 90% of the land and territory in Cyprus and that Turkey came and took it from you ? Wake up babydoc, Turkish Cypriots are co-founders of the partnership Republic which you destroyed.They owned nearly 35-40% of the land and the Vakf lands is huge. If you did not behave as if we and our rights did not exists, as you are doing in your chat , the island would not have gone through what it did.
11- Court of Cassation in Athens passed the following judgement on March 21, 1979 ( Decision No: 2658/ 79 ).
“ The Turkish Military interention in Cyprus, which was carried out in accordance with the Zurich and London Accords was legal. Turkey as one of the Guarantor powers , had the right to fulfil her obligations. The real culprits....... are the Greek officers who engineered and staged a coup and prepared the conditions for the intervention.”
12- You called some of the points I mentioned last time as Denktaş Propaganda. Well the historical details, some mentioned above, and the revelations by Greek Cypriot journalists and politicians admiting massacres and the details of secret policy particularly since the referenda show that President Denktaş does not need propaganda. He is a lucky leader and politican who saw almost all of his assessments and predictions about Greek Cypriot leadership come true within a few months of his retirement.
Hayde borekim, git.
