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[bg_turk]

Piratis,

1.Western Thrace and many parts of Aegean Macedonia, especially the eastern parts, had a Bulgarain majority. Why did Greece invade these lands and ethnically cleanse all Bulgarians from there after the 1 st Balkan War. Greece's wars went far beyond liberation, it was expanding its territories at the cost of its neighbours, ethnically cleansing the land you covered. Did you know what you asked these poor villagers, "Are you bulgarian or christian?". If they answered they were bulgarians they were forced to leave or killed, leaving ALL PROPERTY behind. If you did this to bulgarians I could hardly imagine what you did to turks, most of them were running away to areas controlled by the BG army for protection. If greeks can liberate themselves, and steal other people's property in the process, why cant TRNC liberate itself too? Sure it has the same right, or do you believe you have all the rights other nations do not have. If greeks take territory it is called liberation, if turks do it - it is expansionism, what kind of double standard is that?

2. Bulgarian textbooks were changed and were made more balanced due to pressure from the EU, since during communism they were too russophilic and anti-turkish, clearly due to the cold war. They used to say Russians came to liberate bulgaria because they were our brothers (bratushki), now they say they came since they wanted to have easier access to the Straights. Anyway, history books should describe historical facts and be balanced, and not preach hatred.

[DigenisAkritas]

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Oh no, please not from wikipedia again!!! This is a sort of a forum anyone can add nonsense.

Well, to save time: The Megali Idea is the dream of the Greeks to take Constantinoupolis back!

Why don't you create a website called MicAtCypidia that tell us the ultimate truth.

Wikipedia is well known for it's anti-Greek bias, it is also populated by right wing Americans who censor anything deemed to be 'anti american', i used to be a regular there until I realized that the Ameriscum would censor anything I wrote praising the Sandinistas for resisting Ameriscum agression.

[gabaston]

bg_turk

yup depending on who writes the book we are liberators or empire builders. Up until after ww2 they were all at it. germany tried for an empire, so did japan, the result of that war, russia got one. The thing is now it is almost impossible for one people to rule another as we have seen in India, Warsaw Pact, South Africa, so empire days have now gone.

today we are in the process of picking up the pieces and clearing the mess from those empires.

palestine - cyprus - warsaw pact - ulster amongst others.

Britain, France, Holland, Spain, Portugal, Belgium (funny all european huh) also Turkey and Russia are amongst those who played the empire building games, so we cant blame greeks for doing the same.

[erolz]

Wikipedia is well known for it's anti-Greek bias, it is also populated by right wing Americans who censor anything deemed to be 'anti american', i used to be a regular there until I realized that the Ameriscum would censor anything I wrote praising the Sandinistas for resisting Ameriscum agression.

Posts are not censored - that would involve the total removal of them from the site. There is a full history of all revisions made as I understand it. Where there are established and different versions of contentious issues there are usually links on the 'front page' to these alternatives. The Greeks are probably only second to the USA (in general terms) in the almost 'religous mania' type view that anyone who does not support USA (or Greek) agenda's is 'anti american' (or anti Greek). One could hypothesise that this is a result of a kind of national 'superiority complex'. At least the USA has some basis for a belief in their own superiority based in today and not the achievments of 2000 years ago. However I do not like sweeping generalisations of whole peoples so I try and avoid them in general.

[DigenisAkritas]

Wikipedia is well known for it's anti-Greek bias, it is also populated by right wing Americans who censor anything deemed to be 'anti american', i used to be a regular there until I realized that the Ameriscum would censor anything I wrote praising the Sandinistas for resisting Ameriscum agression.

Posts are not censored - that would involve the total removal of them from the site. There is a full history of all revisions made as I understand it. Where there are established and different versions of contentious issues there are usually links on the 'front page' to these alternatives. The Greeks are probably only second to the USA (in general terms) in the almost 'religous mania' type view that anyone who does not support USA (or Greek) agenda's is 'anti american' (or anti Greek). One could hypothesise that this is a result of a kind of national 'superiority complex'. At least the USA has some basis for a belief in their own superiority based in today and not the achievments of 2000 years ago. However I do not like sweeping generalisations of whole peoples so I try and avoid them in general.

And what exactly do the Turks have to base their own feelings of superiority? War war and more war? Great Achievements!!!!

[erolz]

It's hard to reply to your posts when you they are changed totaly after haviong been made. Anyway.

who censor anything deemed to be 'anti american',

and your original reply

Erolz, check out my post at 'La Prensa'. It has constantly been reverted, can you see anything wrong with it?

If you claim of censorship on the wikipedia site was true then how could I check out your post to make a judgment? In anycase without knowing under what nick or IP you posted your version from I can not tell.

It would seem that this original reply now reads ???

And what exactly do the Turks have to base their own feelings of superiority? War war and more war? Great Achievements!!!!

I will not be entering into such discussion with you. As far as I am concerned through you behaviour in this forum since your arrival here you do not warrant such.

[MicAtCyp]

Why don't you create a website called MicAtCypidia that tell us the ultimate truth.

If you can offer me some webspace at http://www.Insanipidia.com I may think about it.However I will fill it up with Cyprus made MicAtCyp Viruses. He,he,he.

Well your hole argumentation is based on this Great Megali Idea that you continue mentioning all the time, concerning the Hellenes and their elites. You may have found and read deep rhetoric analyses and stuff. The simple truth however is if you ask 10 GCs what’s Megali Idea 9 of them will scratch their head saying, hmm I heard it when I was at high school but don't remember.
In fact I gave you the definition of what I remember. I may well be wrong.Never cared, never was my problem in life.
This however proves your own thesis is wrong too! You just accepted propaganda articles as the absolute truth without even checking if they are valid among the population.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

In fact I gave you the definition of what I remember. I may well be wrong.Never cared, never was my problem in life.
This however proves your own thesis is wrong too! You just accepted propaganda articles as the absolute truth without even checking if they are valid among the population.

How do we know you are telling the truth, we only have your word and obviously we do not trust you like you do not trust us.

[Piratis]

Western Thrace and many parts of Aegean Macedonia, especially the eastern parts, had a Bulgarain majority.

Greeks created civilization in those places at a time that Bulgarians did not exist, let alone be the majority. Greeks simply had retaken what originally belong to them, just like Bulgarians had retaken what was originally theirs and was taken by the Byzantines.

Anyway, history books should describe historical facts and be balanced, and not preach hatred.

Sure, promote hatred against the Greeks instead. This is what the Turks are doing, not the Bulgarians. Bulgarians are our friends.

[bg_turk]

Piratis,

Greeks have not merely retaken what "belonged" to them, they had ethnically cleansed the marority of the population on those lands, and whether they belonged to them in atiquity or not is irrelelvant. I am not preaching ethnic hatred, I merely stating facts about history, well documented in 1913 Carnegie Report about the First and Second Balkan War.

So you think that if my town has some greek temples in it, you can retake if for its greek heritage???

And I wanted to empashze that Western Thrace never belonged to Greece, even in antiquity. It belonged to the thracians, which were very different from the greeks.

What is most ironic is that you are justifying the illegal actions of the agressor Greece in Thrace, while you are lamenting the actions of another agressor Turkey in Cyprus.