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[Bananiot]

That is exactly what morons (didn't say fascists) told us before 1974:

we challenge anyone to reveal the doom & gloom they predict and to explain how it will come about

[Tony-4497]

I challenge anyone to reveal the doom & gloom they predict and to explain how it will come about.

So what you're saying is those who would like to "cement" the Annan-plan, like Christofias, should just go ahead and try it on, as no harm could come out of such an effort..

A second No (to a plan supported by the RoC president) would give the impression that GCs definitely reject ANY type of "re-unification" deal.

The response to this could range anywhere from near-recognition of the pirate state by non-important Islamic countries to direct trade of the former with EU countries (through unilateral decisions) - possibly even direct flights (the Brits may be able to work around the legal issues if they really, really want to).

This would also mean that future talks start at a much later stage - which would mean more and more settlers - unless the RoC finally wakes up and starts blocking Turkey's EU progress until she stops the flow of settlers, that is.

[Get Real!]

That is exactly what morons (didn't say fascists) told us before 1974:

we challenge anyone to reveal the doom & gloom they predict and to explain how it will come about

Not even the messenger of bad gossip (read old wives' tales) can technically explain the “worst case scenario” because his miserable brain can’t go any further than bluff!

[Get Real!]

I challenge anyone to reveal the doom & gloom they predict and to explain how it will come about.

So what you're saying is those who would like to "cement" the Annan-plan, like Christofias, should just go ahead and try it on, as no harm could come out of such an effort..

A second No (to a plan supported by the RoC president) would give the impression that GCs definitely reject ANY type of "re-unification" deal.

The response to this could range anywhere from near-recognition of the pirate state by non-important Islamic countries to direct trade of the former with EU countries (through unilateral decisions) - possibly even direct flights (the Brits may be able to work around the legal issues if they really, really want to).

This would also mean that future talks start at a much later stage - which would mean more and more settlers - unless the RoC finally wakes up and starts blocking Turkey's EU progress until she stops the flow of settlers, that is.

No! What I’m saying is that only Cypriots can undermine UN-member Cyprus by foolishly falling for any of these Anglo-American plans that will most likely be hundreds if not thousands of pages long and inconspicuously include a clause or clauses that favor the enemy.

And of course, once the constitution of the RoC is signed away you can kiss the indigenous Cypriots on Cyprus goodbye!

[Get Real!]

Heed the wise words of the late Tassos Papadopoulos (RIP) who said…

“I took over a nation… I will NOT deliver a community!”

[Bananiot]

So it was you ...! Now it makes sense.

[Tony-4497]

I challenge anyone to reveal the doom & gloom they predict and to explain how it will come about.

So what you're saying is those who would like to "cement" the Annan-plan, like Christofias, should just go ahead and try it on, as no harm could come out of such an effort..

A second No (to a plan supported by the RoC president) would give the impression that GCs definitely reject ANY type of "re-unification" deal.

The response to this could range anywhere from near-recognition of the pirate state by non-important Islamic countries to direct trade of the former with EU countries (through unilateral decisions) - possibly even direct flights (the Brits may be able to work around the legal issues if they really, really want to).

This would also mean that future talks start at a much later stage - which would mean more and more settlers - unless the RoC finally wakes up and starts blocking Turkey's EU progress until she stops the flow of settlers, that is.

No! What I’m saying is that only Cypriots can undermine UN-member Cyprus by foolishly falling for any of these Anglo-American plans that will most likely be hundreds if not thousands of pages long and inconspicuously include a clause or clauses that favor the enemy.

And of course, once the constitution of the RoC is signed away you can kiss the indigenous Cypriots on Cyprus goodbye!

I am with you on this.. and I believe that the GC people will not accept an Annan-type solution. However, the risk we are faced with is from arrogant politicians, who in their illusion that GCs will follow their lead into anything like sheep, may well take to referendum such a plan - the (certain) rejection of which will harm the RoC in one way or another..

[Talisker]

Tali, good thought - "Do TCs expect to be within the EU should partition be finalised (or BBF for that matter)?"
BBF - of course as by implication 1 country.
Partition not mutually agreed - i.e. defacto recognised by some but not universally - unlikely. Expect a bit of Greece/Macedonia type wrangling.
Partition mutually agreed - yes.

Talk about having your cake and eating it!

I'm only in favour of reunification, full democracy, full reintegration, full return of land to rightful owners, full human rights and equality for all. No special cases. President = leader of party with most votes in 'one man, one vote' elections - no rotation along ethnicity lines. Agree to these basic fundamentals and TCs wil get the full benefit of EU membership.

All the complicating factors demanded by TCs serve only to muddy the waters and delay return of misappropriated land. YFred summed up the mentality perfectly in another thread. 'Possession is 90% of ownership' he said. WTF?

[Get Real!]

...the risk we are faced with is from arrogant politicians, who in their illusion that GCs will follow their lead into anything like sheep, may well take to referendum such a plan -

There is no plan in sight whatsoever! In fact Turkey is doing everything she can for the preservation of the status quo (which suits her best) by constantly increasing her demands to totally unacceptable levels.

...the (certain) rejection of which will harm the RoC in one way or another..

It's this "harm" that nobody can explain! Of course what they mean is that some pro-Turkish politicians and/or countries may get snobby towards us for a few weeks or months but who cares anyway!

[halil]

BBF or PARTITION ? what do we understand from last public poll opinion results have been done by the KADEM for GC newspaper Simerini.

-A vast majority of TC'S does not believe that the negotiations being conducted by Talat and Christfias will lead to a positive result.

-84.6 per cent of TC's do not expect the ongoing negotiations to bring about a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem.

-According to the survey, some 50 percent of TC's are pessimistic about the talks being conducted by the two sides and say they are in favour of `secession`.

-48.1 percent say they want secession where borders will be internationally guaranteed.

-43.8 percent of TC's are in favour of the continuation of the current situation while 8 percent accept this under certain conditions and 36.8 percent see it unacceptable.

-44.6 percent of TC'S `totally reject` a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation to be found on the basis of political equality and single sovereignty, while 14.7 per cent say they will accept this under certain conditions and 39.2 per cent gave their approval to such federation.

-According to the poll, there is a sharp drop in popularity for the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofias among Turkish Cypriots.Some 75 percent of TC'S say they viewed Christofias negatively.

-Highlights included the fact that 6 of 10 TC'S do not agree with the proposal tabled by the Greek Cypriot Leader on `rotating presidency with weighted voting system`.

-More than 55 percent of TC'S see the `Property` issue as the hardest topic of the talks while 57.8 percent say the first right of refusal should be given to current user.

-On the issue of guarantees, 78 percent of TC's say the guarantees should be maintained after the settlement of the Cyprus problem.

I summarised above from below link . Most of the GC forum members might see above results at Simerini News paper .pls inform us if there was a changes in turkish and english version of the translation.

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... _HABERLERI









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