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[Kikapu]

Bir, when you hold a veto right you have 100% of the power not 30%.

I hope your day job is not an accountant. How do you calculate that? I make it 30% (Power) + 20% (Veto) protection which sums up to 50%. Which meant you could not suffocate the TCs legally. Now, how do you get 100%?
Ottomans had 100%. Was it the same deal as the Ottomans?

DT is very accurate when he says, that any veto power equals 100% regardless of who makes it. It is totally undemocratic. For example, if the RoC is the sole veto user against Turkey's EU membership, even though they are only 1/27th of the EU club as we speak, that 1 veto equals to 100% power against Turkey's membership. It gets even worse when we equate the population of the RoC versus the population of the EU, which is very close to 1/500. A veto power of any kind is always 100% against the wishes of the majority. Let me say it again, veto vote of any kind is totally undemocratic.!

But you ignored my comment. 100% is like it was in the Ottoman days. Now are you saying that the two are the same.
Can you confirm what DT believes that the reason why 63 happened was the problem with the TCs and their veto and that enosis had no part to play in it? Are you one with your fellow true democratic friends, and does it apply here on the forum or just when it suits you and your friends?

YFred, 100% is 100%, whether it is in the form of one unit of 100% or it is at much lesser unit but has an equivalence of 100% . The end result is the same at 100%, because it would have 100% effect by using a veto vote power. I don't want to talk about the Ottomans or 1963, or Enosis ( been there, done that already many times) because my definition of what a veto vote power means has nothing to do with all your other topics that you want to bring to this subject. I've just added onto what DT said to Bir, that's all.! The question is, do you disagree with my definition of what a veto vote power means and if so, why.??

Yep 100%.

Thank you.!!

Because there is no trust left after 63 never mind 74. You obviously did not hear the broadcast of Makarios claiming that he would push all the Turks into the sea in 63.
Now, you either have a veto or 2 countries. Your choice, but I would appreciate your thoughts on the questions I have posed.
You may not wish to talk about them, but it is questions you must answer otherwise we end up going round and round in circles and chasing Bafitis's and Bumbo's tails. Just make sure that you have a brolli when you are near the Bafitobullo otherwise you will have a shower when you approach. Secondly don't turn our back to Bumbo, you will be in trouble.

Again, all the above is irrelevant to the topic at hand. But just to answer one part of your question, a veto power can come in the form of a Democratic means just like how I proposed in my plan, in which case the TCs should take it. It does not need to be in the form of undemocratic means all the time, does it.??

No need to thank me, I was only confirming my disagreement of the meaning of the veto.

Then you don't know whet you are talking about, because if a veto power does not mean 100%, then you would not have made the above statement, "Now, you either have a veto or 2 countries."!! Of course a veto power means 100% control.! But since you have failed to grasp the examples I gave you on what a veto vote power means in the case of Turkey and EU members, let me give you another example that you may be able to relate to.

If a woman says no to you to boink her, is she not having a 100% veto vote over your intensions of boinking her.?? Of course she does. Now do you get it.?? But if you go ahead and boink her anyway against her "veto vote", then you would have become a 100% rapist which would mean 20 to life in prison ( in the states anyway), depending how violently you had violated her "veto vote" for not wanting you to boink her.!

BTW can please stop referring to your plan. It's getting rather monotonous.

You haven't read it yet, so how can it be monotonous.!

Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[YFred]

Its not the plan that is monotonous it is your constant monotonous reference to it. Who is it that has a comprehension problem on this forum again? What?

[Malapapa]

Exprat, over to you.........

Of all people , you can talk?

Fred, please. You have this propensity to stray from the point with irrelevancies. You and B25 have a clear reason for being here. You may not agree but it's clear what your interests are - and why. But I am convinced this schmuck Expatkiwi is here under false pretences. He demands respect for his views. But where are his views really coming from?

It really is about time Cypriots learnt to mistrust outsiders with their own agenda. You can bet your last lira this New Zealand reject does not have the interest of Cyprus, or any of its people, uppermost in his mind.

[YFred]

Exprat, over to you.........

Of all people , you can talk?

Fred, please. You have this propensity to stray from the point with irrelevancies. You and B25 have a clear reason for being here. You may not agree but it's clear what your interests are - and why. But I am convinced this schmuck Expatkiwi is here under false pretences. He demands respect for his views. But where are his views really coming from?

It really is about time Cypriots learnt to mistrust outsiders with their own agenda. You can bet your last lira this New Zealand reject does not have the interest of Cyprus, or any of its people, uppermost in his mind.

MP who is B25? He is a forumer in disguise, is he/she not?
What is my reason for being here?

[Malapapa]

MP who is B25? He is a forumer in disguise, is he/she not?

How the f*ck should I know? Who?

What is my reason for being here?

Since you replaced your avatar, I don't know. You're now in the same credibility category as the paaaauls/runaways/yialosers of this world.

"Bu Memleket Bizim - This is our land."

Who does he mean by "our"? And who gave it to "them"?

[Kikapu]

Its not the plan that is monotonous it is your constant monotonous reference to it. Who is it that has a comprehension problem on this forum again? What?

As always, it is you, YFred.! Look at the foreign flag you are using for your avatar and claim to be a TCs at the same time. Since when have you become a Turk from Turkey.?

I'll be glad to address you as an Illegal Alien settler from Turkey from now on if you wish. It will be no trouble at all.!

I'm glad you have finally got the "veto vote power" example. Somehow I knew if I really simplified it for you, you would eventually get it.!

[YFred]

Its not the plan that is monotonous it is your constant monotonous reference to it. Who is it that has a comprehension problem on this forum again? What?

As always, it is you, YFred.! Look at the foreign flag you are using for your avatar and claim to be a TCs at the same time. Since when have you become a Turk from Turkey.?

I'll be glad to address you as an Illegal Alien settler from Turkey from now on if you wish. It will be no trouble at all.!

I'm glad you have finally got the "veto vote power" example. Somehow I knew if I really simplified it for you, you would eventually get it.!

If you cannot see a protest against GC domination, you are a lost cause. I have never had any flags in my house, But I will not accept a GC telling me that I cannot display it if I want to. You called me a lot worst things in the past. I know exactly who I am an what I am, and am strong enough to ignore any name calling whether it is from prats like you, patriot GCs, Turks or any other useless bastards.
When The flag is allowed, I will not use it, but revert to my usual. Till then enjoy it. I know you will.

[Malapapa]

If you cannot see a protest against GC domination, you are a lost cause. I have never had any flags in my house, But I will not accept a GC telling me that I cannot display it if I want to. You called me a lot worst things in the past. I know exactly who I am an what I am, and am strong enough to ignore any name calling whether it is from prats like you, patriot GCs, Turks or any other useless bastards.
When The flag is allowed, I will not use it, but revert to my usual. Till then enjoy it. I know you will.

Cutting your nose to spite your face is a Turkish, not a Cypriot reaction, YFred. Jesus, hasn't nearly half a century on the island taught you anything?

[Malapapa]

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We expect you to respect the other point of view, and to dispassionatelt debate the issue.

We? How many US citizens of New Zealand origin, supporting the partition of Cyprus, do you represent exactly?
Declare your real interest in the "TRNC" and then I'll see whether your point of view is worth respecting. Is it financial? Through marriage? Have you acquired stolen property? Were you adopted by Turkish parents?

No other regular contributor to this forum, particular the "problem" section, has such a tenuous link with the island as you. No outsider, with no direct interests in Cyprus, can possibly have such a biased, one-sided view. It simply doesn't stack up.

If you want some respect, show some respect. Come clean.

Who the hell are you, coming here advocating the dismemberment of Cyprus?

[YFred]

If you cannot see a protest against GC domination, you are a lost cause. I have never had any flags in my house, But I will not accept a GC telling me that I cannot display it if I want to. You called me a lot worst things in the past. I know exactly who I am an what I am, and am strong enough to ignore any name calling whether it is from prats like you, patriot GCs, Turks or any other useless bastards.
When The flag is allowed, I will not use it, but revert to my usual. Till then enjoy it. I know you will.

Cutting your nose to spite your face is a Turkish, not a Cypriot reaction, YFred. Jesus, hasn't nearly half a century on the island taught you anything?

This is my last post.