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[BirKibrisli]

That is the problem. The oppressor finds it convenient to hide the deed,

Oppressor? What are you talking about? Turkey is oppressing Cypriots, north and south. Stop spouting nonsense again.

however the oppressed will maintain alertness to protect the future generations from the same fate.
The hatred is very visible even with this generation even on this forum.

The hatred is due to what Turkey is doing to Cyprus today, and your association with the oppressor. And you'd better believe Cypriots will maintain alertness to protect the future generations from the same fate.

The key to what is happening today,MP,lies in the recent past...
If you refuse to acknowledge those events,and try to make sense of them,
you are doing a disservice to Cyprus...The reason we are stuck in the mud today is because most of the GCs choose to ignore the past events,because they do not reflect positively on them...But ignoring them will not make them go away from the TC collective consciousness...The right thing to do is to examine all aspects of this conflict,learn our lessons,and go forward with those in mind...MP..Think of a turbulent relationship,full of physical and emotional abuse....(dont get defensive here,I am not putting any blame on anyone!) the couple splits us full of bittereness and vindictiveness...a long time passes,with very little direct communication between the couple...No effort to reconcile their past differences,no counselling or reeducation or anything...Than one day one of the partners say "look we have been apart long enough,lets get together again...lets put everything behind,not even think about the past...It was all your fault anyway,but I forgive you...I now have a lovely house and have joined a nice club...Our financial future is secure...Just trust me ,this time we will be very happy....You can tell your big brother to piss off...We dont need him any more...My friends in this new club are all very nice,they will help us along...No,no don't even mention the times I beat the shit out of you....That was a long time ago,and it was your fault anyway,don't forget,your mind might be playing tricks on you,what you think has happened might just be the prodect of your sick mind..... And remember,If your ancestors hadn't come here,we wouldn't be in this mess now...It is really all their fault...What were they doing coming to these lands???"


What do you think is the best way to reunite this couple????
Be honest now,dont answer automatically from your conditioning...Really think about it,and tell me how should this couple go about solving their problems to reunite....

Bir, why do you feel the need to use metaphors? In order to mislead and present yourselves as the innocent and us as the evils? This "couple" metaphor is irrelevant to our problem, but if you like them, here is another such metaphor:

Some brute man brakes into the house of a young woman, against her will, and starts beating the crap out of her. He then takes charge of her house treating this woman as his slave, abusing her, and beating her whenever the poor woman dared to ask for her rights. All the woman would managed to do, while trying to get her rights, was to give this man a few slaps for a few minutes, and then the man would start beating her again. The woman never loved this man, and the man never loved the woman. What he was after was the dowry so he forced the woman to marry him against her will. After the first fight after the forced marriage the man beat again the woman and grabbed half the house and said "This is mine now, and I divorce you". The courts never recognized his crime, and the whole house still legally belongs to the woman, but the man has connections with the mafia and the police and nobody dares to throw him out. He is trying to excuse his actions by saying "Hey, those slaps were really hard! She slapped me! Remember?" But nobody can excuse him because everybody knows that the few slaps the woman gave to him in her effort to gain her rights are nothing compared to the amount of beating he has done against her for years.

sorry,Piratis...I do not recognise this story...Mine is much closer to the way the TCs see the past...But since you have no intention of even considering it,you have to come to terms with the fact that there will never be reconciliation...The TCs will not buy your democracy and human rights story until you stop and genuinely listen to their concerns...If you leave it too late,there won't be anybody left prepared to talk to you..Then you will be left waiting for the "balance of the power to change" to attempt your final solution...it failed in 1963-74 period...You never know the settlers might be easier to get rid of...

[Malapapa]

The key to what is happening today,MP,lies in the recent past...
If you refuse to acknowledge those events,and try to make sense of them,
you are doing a disservice to Cyprus...The reason we are stuck in the mud today is because most of the GCs choose to ignore the past events,because they do not reflect positively on them...But ignoring them will not make them go away from the TC collective consciousness...The right thing to do is to examine all aspects of this conflict,learn our lessons,and go forward with those in mind...MP..

The lesson learnt is that there must be no compromise on the democracy and human rights secured by EU membership. There must never again be foreign imperialists controlling our lands and polluting the minds of our people. For all our sakes. Conveniently for Turkey, it's a lesson the TCs have not learnt

Think of a turbulent relationship,full of physical and emotional abuse....(dont get defensive here,I am not putting any blame on anyone!) the couple splits us full of bittereness and vindictiveness...a long time passes,with very little direct communication between the couple...No effort to reconcile their past differences,no counselling or reeducation or anything...Than one day one of the partners say "look we have been apart long enough,lets get together again...lets put everything behind,not even think about the past...It was all your fault anyway,but I forgive you...I now have a lovely house and have joined a nice club...Our financial future is secure...Just trust me ,this time we will be very happy....You can tell your big brother to piss off...We dont need him any more...My friends in this new club are all very nice,they will help us along...No,no don't even mention the times I beat the shit out of you....That was a long time ago,and it was your fault anyway,don't forget,your mind might be playing tricks on you,what you think has happened might just be the prodect of your sick mind..... And remember,If your ancestors hadn't come here,we wouldn't be in this mess now...It is really all their fault...What were they doing coming to these lands???"

Like Piratis, I think your metaphor is skewed, for a number of reasons. Why don't you try and rewrite it from a Cypriot, rather than Turkish Cypriot perspective? I don't see Cypriots as an estranged married couple. You could try a dysfunctional family, due to one wayward, easily influenced son getting sucked into a powerful, dangerous, destructive cult. See how that pans out.

What do you think is the best way to reunite this couple????
Be honest now,dont answer automatically from your conditioning...Really think about it,and tell me how should this couple go about solving their problems to reunite....

I have. Really. The best way is for the son to give up on his cult, come back to his family, and start behaving like a human being putting his family rather than the cult first.

[BirKibrisli]

The key to what is happening today,MP,lies in the recent past...
If you refuse to acknowledge those events,and try to make sense of them,
you are doing a disservice to Cyprus...The reason we are stuck in the mud today is because most of the GCs choose to ignore the past events,because they do not reflect positively on them...But ignoring them will not make them go away from the TC collective consciousness...The right thing to do is to examine all aspects of this conflict,learn our lessons,and go forward with those in mind...MP..

The lesson learnt is that there must be no compromise on the democracy and human rights secured by EU membership. There must never again be foreign imperialists controlling our lands and polluting the minds of our people. For all our sakes. Conveniently for Turkey, it's a lesson the TCs have not learnt

Think of a turbulent relationship,full of physical and emotional abuse....(dont get defensive here,I am not putting any blame on anyone!) the couple splits us full of bittereness and vindictiveness...a long time passes,with very little direct communication between the couple...No effort to reconcile their past differences,no counselling or reeducation or anything...Than one day one of the partners say "look we have been apart long enough,lets get together again...lets put everything behind,not even think about the past...It was all your fault anyway,but I forgive you...I now have a lovely house and have joined a nice club...Our financial future is secure...Just trust me ,this time we will be very happy....You can tell your big brother to piss off...We dont need him any more...My friends in this new club are all very nice,they will help us along...No,no don't even mention the times I beat the shit out of you....That was a long time ago,and it was your fault anyway,don't forget,your mind might be playing tricks on you,what you think has happened might just be the prodect of your sick mind..... And remember,If your ancestors hadn't come here,we wouldn't be in this mess now...It is really all their fault...What were they doing coming to these lands???"

Like Piratis, I think your metaphor is skewed, for a number of reasons. Why don't you try and rewrite it from a Cypriot, rather than Turkish Cypriot perspective? I don't see Cypriots as an estranged married couple. You could try a dysfunctional family, due to one wayward, easily influenced son getting sucked into a powerful, dangerous, destructive cult. See how that pans out.

What do you think is the best way to reunite this couple????
Be honest now,dont answer automatically from your conditioning...Really think about it,and tell me how should this couple go about solving their problems to reunite....

I have. Really. The best way is for the son to give up on his cult, come back to his family, and start behaving like a human being putting his family rather than the cult first.

Well done....spoken like a true Greek Cypriot...
When you give up your cult,and stop hiding behind democracy and human rights,in order to turn Cyprus into a bastion of Hellenism,you can ask the TCs to give up their cult...Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...Untill then it is a waste of time having any sort of discussion with you ...

[Get Real!]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

[YFred]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

When I need an invitation to live in my house, I will let you know. In the mean time you and the rest of your lunatic nationalists can fuck off to kingdom come sunshine. It is sunny out there today is it not? what?

[BirKibrisli]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

I am asking the overwhelming majority of Cypriots to stop denying their part in this bloody saga,so that we can have a constructive dialogue...I am asking you not to keep your head in the sand and throw futile insults and accusations left and right...I am asking you to look at the causes and effects in its totality,not in bits that suit your GC nationalist propaganda purposes...

[Get Real!]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

When I need an invitation to live in my house, I will let you know. In the mean time you and the rest of your lunatic nationalists can fuck off to kingdom come sunshine. It is sunny out there today is it not? what?

So what are the Turkish Cypriots doing in the houses of 185,000 GC refugees then? Did you get 185,000 invitations to ethnically cleanse them?

[YFred]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

When I need an invitation to live in my house, I will let you know. In the mean time you and the rest of your lunatic nationalists can fuck off to kingdom come sunshine. It is sunny out there today is it not? what?

So what are the Turkish Cypriots doing in the houses of 185,000 GC refugees then? Did you get 185,000 invitations to ethnically cleanse them?

The invitation was sent by the famous war criminals Makarios and Sampson. You didn't read the small print. Did ya? Well read it.

[Get Real!]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

I am asking the overwhelming majority of Cypriots to stop denying their part in this bloody saga,so that we can have a constructive dialogue...I am asking you not to keep your head in the sand and throw futile insults and accusations left and right...I am asking you to look at the causes and effects in its totality,not in bits that suit your GC nationalist propaganda purposes...

Even as we speak, there are more of your Turkish/Anatolian compatriots arriving by the boatful to Cyprus, just as your great grandfathers arrived here without an invitation!

How many times must Turks/Ottomans/Anatolians be told to stay put in their OWN country?

Now tell me… how long is this shit going to go on for and isn’t an all-out war called for?

[Paphitis]

Get off your high horses and have an objective look at our past history,then we can talk again...

You’re asking the overwhelming majority of indigenous Cypriots (82%) to do what exactly… accommodate your invasions & occupations?

If anything it is YOU that needs to get in touch with reality because nobody invited you here!

I am asking the overwhelming majority of Cypriots to stop denying their part in this bloody saga,so that we can have a constructive dialogue...I am asking you not to keep your head in the sand and throw futile insults and accusations left and right...I am asking you to look at the causes and effects in its totality,not in bits that suit your GC nationalist propaganda purposes...

Even as we speak, there are more of your Turkish/Anatolian compatriots arriving by the boatful to Cyprus, just as your great grandfathers arrived here without an invitation!

How many times must Turks/Ottomans/Anatolians be told to stay put in their OWN country?

Now tell me… how long is this shit going to go on for and isn’t an all-out war called for?

When? Should I book my tickets now or wait!