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[BirKibrisli]

... If we have in Cyprus what they have in all other Federations the result will be 2 GC states, which will then vote to unite and become a unitary state. So I would accept a normal Federation for Cyprus.

Brilliant. I never saw it like that.

And the seal of approval from Oracle....double great...

Now all the TCs will trample each other to death in the rush to sign up....That of course would be the final solution,or the ideal solution for Piratis and Oracle....

[BirKibrisli]

Well, its either BBF or partition...

No it’s not, and you cannot prove otherwise. Christofias, is desperate because he has failed miserably and his chances of reelection are next to zero.

GR is right,there is a third option...Or rather the ultimate default situation...The North becoming just another state of Turkey...Formal annexation...End of story...If you think that is not on the cards,think again...

[bill cobbett]

Our Dear Brother BirKibrisil, abandon the sheep sha... sha...shearing in the wilderness of the outback and join the National Liberation Campaign cos all CYs share a common enemy; the enemy of racism, intolerance, partition, militarism and expansionism.

[BirKibrisli]

Our Dear Brother BirKibrisil, abandon the sheep sha... sha...shearing in the wilderness of the outback and join the National Liberation Campaign cos all CYs share a common enemy; the enemy of racism, intolerance, partition, militarism and expansionism.

You start without me,Bill...I will join you as soon as all the sheep are sha..sha..sha...sheared....

[Piratis]

Further to the above, Talisker, I could add that:

In almost all federal governments, the population analogy is always taken care of and it is even reversed in some instances, by the representation according to the states or regions. The weighted vote is the norm here and not the exemption, like the rejectionists have been telling us here. Here is an example. The vote of one voter if Uri is worth 34 voters of Zurich. The Swiss voters that reside in the small cantons (about 9% of the whole) can block the will of the remaining 91%. Even in the US of A there are such cases. I say even in the USA because there the system is not organised to solve differences on ethnic level. Al Gore won absolute majority in 2000 but did not become President because the difference in voting between the small and large states reaches 1 in 50 or even more. So Gore lost out because of the system of electoral college for the election of president. In Australia and in Canada, I believe, the small states enjoy equal status with the large ones.

First of all, none of those federations was created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. The north part of Cyprus (just like all other parts) belongs mostly to us, who we are the 80%+ majority, not to the TCs, who are a minority in all parts of the island. You seek to legalize the claim of the TCs over the north but you have failed to do so.

Secondly, Switzerland is a confederation.

Thirdly, in all federations people can settle anywhere they want and became residents of any state they want enjoying their full human rights, such as the right for property. There is no discrimination based on ethnicity, which is of course something racist. If we have in Cyprus what they have in all other Federations the result will be 2 GC states, which will then vote to unite and become a unitary state. So I would accept a normal Federation for Cyprus.

There you have it...Piratis will accept any solution as long as the result will be 2 GC states in the short term AND 1 bigger GC state in the long term....Great...Where do all the TCs go to sign up....???

If by "1 big GC state" you mean one united Cyprus where GCs are the majority, then that is how it has always been until you ethnically cleansed us from our homeland in 74.

Bananiot tried to tell us that what he wants for Cyprus is a federation like all other federations. Well, in all other federations the human rights of people, including their right to property and the right to reside with full rights anywhere within their country that they want, are respected. So if we would have a normal federation like all the rest, then the end result would be two GC states.

But what you and bananiot want is not a normal federation. What you want is partition that will give to the 18% TC minority the 30% of our homeland.

[Piratis]

BBF or PARTITION ? what do we understand from last public poll opinion results have been done by the KADEM for GC newspaper Simerini.

-A vast majority of TC'S does not believe that the negotiations being conducted by Talat and Christfias will lead to a positive result.

-84.6 per cent of TC's do not expect the ongoing negotiations to bring about a comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus problem.

-According to the survey, some 50 percent of TC's are pessimistic about the talks being conducted by the two sides and say they are in favour of `secession`.

-48.1 percent say they want secession where borders will be internationally guaranteed.

-43.8 percent of TC's are in favour of the continuation of the current situation while 8 percent accept this under certain conditions and 36.8 percent see it unacceptable.

-44.6 percent of TC'S `totally reject` a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation to be found on the basis of political equality and single sovereignty, while 14.7 per cent say they will accept this under certain conditions and 39.2 per cent gave their approval to such federation.

-According to the poll, there is a sharp drop in popularity for the Greek Cypriot Leader Demetris Christofias among Turkish Cypriots.Some 75 percent of TC'S say they viewed Christofias negatively.

-Highlights included the fact that 6 of 10 TC'S do not agree with the proposal tabled by the Greek Cypriot Leader on `rotating presidency with weighted voting system`.

-More than 55 percent of TC'S see the `Property` issue as the hardest topic of the talks while 57.8 percent say the first right of refusal should be given to current user.

-On the issue of guarantees, 78 percent of TC's say the guarantees should be maintained after the settlement of the Cyprus problem.

I summarised above from below link . Most of the GC forum members might see above results at Simerini News paper .pls inform us if there was a changes in turkish and english version of the translation.

http://www.kibrispostasi.com/index.php/ ... _HABERLERI

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80%+ of Cypriots want the Turkish troops out of their island and a unified free democratic Cyprus without Ottoman style discriminations against the majority of the population.

[Expatkiwi]

You must also take into account that the percentage of arable land in the north (can't plant in mountains very well) takes the useful figure down to about the 18% mark...

You don't seem to be very familiar with Cyprus real estate matters..

In Limassol, a beachfront plot of say 1000 sq meters sells for anywhere between Euro 2 million and 5 million. The same plot of "arable land" sells for around Euro 5 thousand.

Accordingly, the key issue is coastline - the Annan plan (supported by some GCs here) gave some 60% of Cyprus coastline to the 18% TCs.

I'm referring to the mountain range stretching all the way from the Karpass peninsula to Morphou Bay. The only thing that one can really plant on that type of land are painted flags...

[BirKibrisli]

Further to the above, Talisker, I could add that:

In almost all federal governments, the population analogy is always taken care of and it is even reversed in some instances, by the representation according to the states or regions. The weighted vote is the norm here and not the exemption, like the rejectionists have been telling us here. Here is an example. The vote of one voter if Uri is worth 34 voters of Zurich. The Swiss voters that reside in the small cantons (about 9% of the whole) can block the will of the remaining 91%. Even in the US of A there are such cases. I say even in the USA because there the system is not organised to solve differences on ethnic level. Al Gore won absolute majority in 2000 but did not become President because the difference in voting between the small and large states reaches 1 in 50 or even more. So Gore lost out because of the system of electoral college for the election of president. In Australia and in Canada, I believe, the small states enjoy equal status with the large ones.

First of all, none of those federations was created by means of foreign invasion and ethnic cleansing. The north part of Cyprus (just like all other parts) belongs mostly to us, who we are the 80%+ majority, not to the TCs, who are a minority in all parts of the island. You seek to legalize the claim of the TCs over the north but you have failed to do so.

Secondly, Switzerland is a confederation.

Thirdly, in all federations people can settle anywhere they want and became residents of any state they want enjoying their full human rights, such as the right for property. There is no discrimination based on ethnicity, which is of course something racist. If we have in Cyprus what they have in all other Federations the result will be 2 GC states, which will then vote to unite and become a unitary state. So I would accept a normal Federation for Cyprus.

There you have it...Piratis will accept any solution as long as the result will be 2 GC states in the short term AND 1 bigger GC state in the long term....Great...Where do all the TCs go to sign up....???

If by "1 big GC state" you mean one united Cyprus where GCs are the majority, then that is how it has always been until you ethnically cleansed us from our homeland in 74.

Bananiot tried to tell us that what he wants for Cyprus is a federation like all other federations. Well, in all other federations the human rights of people, including their right to property and the right to reside with full rights anywhere within their country that they want, are respected. So if we would have a normal federation like all the rest, then the end result would be two GC states.

But what you and bananiot want is not a normal federation. What you want is partition that will give to the 18% TC minority the 30% of our homeland.

The game is up,Piratis...Nobody will believe your democracy and human rights arguments any more...What you want is a GC dominated Cyprus where the TCs will once again be in their proper place,as a despised minority...Thanks a lot...

[yialousa1971]

President Christofias (the democratically elected president, Piratis) spelled it out on Saturday and he couldn't have been more explicit. Speaking at the 16th Congress of EDON he said:

The dilemma is clear. Either we solve the Cyprus issue on the basis of BBF or partition. Those that question BBF and look for the desirable are working for partition. He reminded that BBF was supported by a number of UN resolutions as well as by the EU and other international institutions.

Neither Banalot, united Cyprus only.

[Bananiot]

I know your kind from back in 1974. You, however, are a stale version of them ... we have heard this before.