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[Malapapa]

Malapapa we all have to live with our mistakes of the past,

I didn't make any mistakes. Nor did my parents or grandparents. They are innocent. I refuse to pay for other people's mistakes.

time you realized that you also contribute to the divide of today and it will continue without change a s long as you continue to persue a solution with the charachteristic GC despot attitude of we are right and you are wrong,

I don't. Criminals should pay. Innocence shouldn't. Otherwise the crime is perpetuated.

wake up you have to share and share fairly.

I share no part of the blame.

[Acikgoz]

Interesting thread to see how far back the BBF went.
Tks for insight Deniz, Bananiot and Observer.
Interesting the direction the thread took with Oracle hoping now RoC in EU things to change and Bill underlining that previous principles for solution have been disregarded by most GCs.

[Acikgoz]

MP - are you speaking on a personal level or for GCs as a whole?

[Viewpoint]

Malapapa

I didn't make any mistakes. Nor did my parents or grandparents. They are innocent. I refuse to pay for other people's mistakes.

Unfortunately thats the way the cookie crumbles you all pay for the mistakes of those among that took the course of action that divided the island rather than united it and to this day still contribute to division and mistrust that also exsisted in the 1960s today.

I don't. Criminals should pay. Innocence shouldn't. Otherwise the crime is perpetuated.

Then start asking yourself why you persue the anti TC stance and do not consider us as 2 equal communities interested in the future of this island, all we want to is live in peace and not be forced into any situations against our will with a right to say stop eg you cannot gift this island to Greece.
Ask the criminals amongst why the messed up big time and did not promote unity when they had the chance?

I share no part of the blame.

When you wake up you will understand that your mindset contributes to division of today as does mine, we are the reason why this island will remain divided so we must take our share of the blame...but what I was orginally referring to was sharing the island under a BBF with a political balance that will build trust understanding and equality.

[bill cobbett]

Interesting thread to see how far back the BBF went.
Tks for insight Deniz, Bananiot and Observer.
Interesting the direction the thread took with Oracle hoping now RoC in EU things to change and Bill underlining that previous principles for solution have been disregarded by most GCs.

Reh Acikgoz, don't think I said that, merely reminding that Anan was declared null and void. Whether it was rejected on basis of overall principles or cos of specific detail - dunno.

As to this EU thing. It is easy to over-generalise the EU. What do we mean when we say EU? Are we talking about the Commission? the EU President and Vice-pres? one of the EU Council Ministers? The EU judiciary, that is the ECJ? The six-month rotating Presidency? The PMs and Presidents of the member states? etc etc

Complicated thing, this EU, and not all branches would agree on the way out of the Cyprob dilemma.

[Malapapa]

Unfortunately thats the way the cookie crumbles you all pay for the mistakes of those among that took the course of action that divided the island rather than united it and to this day still contribute to division and mistrust that also exsisted in the 1960s today.

You'll be lucky, if you think I or any other innocent party is going to accept paying for other people's f@ck ups.

Then start asking yourself why you persue the anti TC stance and do not consider us as 2 equal communities interested in the future of this island, all we want to is live in peace and not be forced into any situations against our will with a right to say stop eg you cannot gift this island to Greece.

Why would I or any other free Cypriot gift the country to another country; when both are in the EU?

Ask the criminals amongst why the messed up big time and did not promote unity when they had the chance?

I'm not asking criminals anything. If they infringe on my rights I pursue them in the courts.

When you wake up you will understand that your mindset contributes to division of today as does mine,

Speak for yourself. I discriminate against those who infringe on my human rights; I don't care which God they, their parents or their grandparents prayed to (or not, as the case may be).

we are the reason why this island will remain divided so we must take our share of the blame...

I take no share of any blame for which I'm not responsible.

but what I was orginally referring to was sharing the island under a BBF with a political balance that will build trust understanding and equality.

Fine... so long us my rights and the rights of others innocent people aren't compromised.

[Malapapa]

MP - are you speaking on a personal level or for GCs as a whole?

I speak for myself. And I take responsibility and blame for no one's actions other than my own.

[bill cobbett]

To come back to the thread. What is this long saga of talks over the years telling us?

Sure we all agree the current ones will get nowhere? As D asks, what's next?

[Viewpoint]

Malapapa

You'll be lucky, if you think I or any other innocent party is going to accept paying for other people's f@ck ups.

You are paying right now and will continue to pay problem is you choose to ignore it.

Why would I or any other free Cypriot gift the country to another country; when both are in the EU?

Thats just an example of what can be done by the majority which in this case happen to be GCs, what we ask for is a system that will not llow such things to ever happen again.

I'm not asking criminals anything. If they infringe on my rights I pursue them in the courts.

In that case what about the eoka criminals?

Speak for yourself. I discriminate against those who infringe on my human rights; I don't care which God they, their parents or their grandparents prayed to (or not, as the case may be).

We are talking about your stance in relation to a solution what you have been putting forward on the CF only perpetuates division.

I take no share of any blame for which I'm not responsible.

But you have to and will continue to pay the price unless you can compromise a solution that we can all agree to.

Fine... so long us my rights and the rights of others innocent people aren't compromised.

Thats whats being negotiated right now but we are still nowhere a solution because the leaders like us cannot agree a structure that will satisfy both sides and neither wll back down so we both have to pay.

[EPSILON]

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/kyprianou-and-denktash-made-great-deal/20091231


Some info that appeared in the CM ref. tp 1979.

You Turks, always like your great history-1979 is just history-today you are just bakers of civilization acceptance-belive me is very expnsive anf Greeks know all the tricks to make it for you as a life cost dream-

you will accept that you was and continue to be- a second class- nation against Greeks!!1i imagin your 1st reaction in this statement- I hv seen it many Times in my life....