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[BirKibrisli]

This is a pathetic attempt to make GC look "evil" so you can excuse against us yet more crimes. Where have I asked for any "revenge"? You talk about the suffering of TCs, I talk about the suffering of GCs. Are you allowed to talk about your suffering and blame us for it, but I am not allowed to do the same for the many times more crimes you committed against us?

Unlike you, I seek no revenge. What I want for Cyprus is finally to be free from foreign invaders and oppressors, to have one united Cyprus with all Cypriot citizens equal without racist discriminations and anachronistic divisions which you imposed on us since the Ottoman times and you want to maintain in the 21st century. I never asked for even a single of your human rights to be violated.

On the contrary, you distort parts of our history in your attempt to show that "TCs are angels", "GCs are evil" and in this way excuse yet more crimes against us. Therefore you are the one who is seeking revenge, not me.

I can also say "Those Ottoman oppressors who killed 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot and oppressed us for centuries carried your mentality and therefore you are responsible for their actions. The same goes for the TMT criminals in the 50s and the 60s (which you are personally related to) and for your massive crimes against us in 74" and I could also say "I did not live during the 60s so what happened then it is not my fault". See how easy it is to put blame on you and refuse to take any blame for myself? You are a master in this, but we could easily do the same.

What matters is what YOU are doing TODAY.

And what you support for today and for the future is yet more crimes, racist divisions and human rights violations, and you are selectively choosing parts of the past trying to excuse your criminal actions of today.

On the contrary what I support for today and for the future is a free democratic Cyprus, where all Cypriot citizens are equal with no racist discriminations.

I think we have highjacked miltiades's thread enough,Piratis...You have let the cat out of the bag,I am afraid...You want a solution which will give you 2 GC states first,followed by One GC state,after you outnumber the TCs and vote for unification...When you talk about Cypriots,you only mean Greek Cypriots...The Turkish Cypriots are not Cypriots in your eyes...They are Ottoman remnants who shall be elinimated from the island,preferably by peaceful ways,but failing that by force of arms...The picture is cyrstal clear...I now accept that my dream of reunification is misguided...It will not happen in mylifetime...Because the TCs will not fall for your full democracy and human rights trap...Now lets let miltiades go on with his fascinating stories from a life fully lived...He has no bitterness or hatred towards the TCs who he considers as equal compatriots...We might have to find another island in the Eagean to be neighbours in...too much hatred,bitterness and deception in Cyprus...

[miltiades]

This is a pathetic attempt to make GC look "evil" so you can excuse against us yet more crimes. Where have I asked for any "revenge"? You talk about the suffering of TCs, I talk about the suffering of GCs. Are you allowed to talk about your suffering and blame us for it, but I am not allowed to do the same for the many times more crimes you committed against us?

Unlike you, I seek no revenge. What I want for Cyprus is finally to be free from foreign invaders and oppressors, to have one united Cyprus with all Cypriot citizens equal without racist discriminations and anachronistic divisions which you imposed on us since the Ottoman times and you want to maintain in the 21st century. I never asked for even a single of your human rights to be violated.

On the contrary, you distort parts of our history in your attempt to show that "TCs are angels", "GCs are evil" and in this way excuse yet more crimes against us. Therefore you are the one who is seeking revenge, not me.

I can also say "Those Ottoman oppressors who killed 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot and oppressed us for centuries carried your mentality and therefore you are responsible for their actions. The same goes for the TMT criminals in the 50s and the 60s (which you are personally related to) and for your massive crimes against us in 74" and I could also say "I did not live during the 60s so what happened then it is not my fault". See how easy it is to put blame on you and refuse to take any blame for myself? You are a master in this, but we could easily do the same.

What matters is what YOU are doing TODAY.

And what you support for today and for the future is yet more crimes, racist divisions and human rights violations, and you are selectively choosing parts of the past trying to excuse your criminal actions of today.

On the contrary what I support for today and for the future is a free democratic Cyprus, where all Cypriot citizens are equal with no racist discriminations.

I think we have highjacked miltiades's thread enough,Piratis...You have let the cat out of the bag,I am afraid...You want a solution which will give you 2 GC states first,followed by One GC state,after you outnumber the TCs and vote for unification...When you talk about Cypriots,you only mean Greek Cypriots...The Turkish Cypriots are not Cypriots in your eyes...They are Ottoman remnants who shall be elinimated from the island,preferably by peaceful ways,but failing that by force of arms...The picture is cyrstal clear...I now accept that my dream of reunification is misguided...It will not happen in mylifetime...Because the TCs will not fall for your full democracy and human rights trap...Now lets let miltiades go on with his fascinating stories from a life fully lived...He has no bitterness or hatred towards the TCs who he considers as equal compatriots...We might have to find another island in the Eagean to be neighbours in...too much hatred,bitterness and deception in Cyprus...

I did not want to enter this "current" political discussion , however yesterday I had to go to the Limassol Council - DHMARXIO - can anyone tell me why when our official policy is that the RoC is the only legitimate authority in Cyprus and that ALL Cypriots are citizens of the RoC , INCLUDING NO DOUBT THE T/Cs , why on earth are we being such bloody hypocrites , we preach one thing and yet we support officially the existence of two nations by flying along the Cypriot flag the flag of Greece.
Piratis , I ask you , is all of Cyprus , including the part occupied by Turkey , a sovereign part of the RoC OR NOT. Why on earth do we fly the Greek flag which has nothing whatsoever to do with Cypriot citizens who have no allegiance to Greece , including my self.
This hypocrisy and open support of Turkeys position is infuriating. Are we an independent nation , part of it under the occupation of Turkey or are we a Greek island an extension of Greece.
THE ACTIONS OF THE LIMASSOL COUNCIL ARE CONTRADICTORY TO THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THE ROC and yours truly will drop them a line .
Flying back today , not certain yet as the snow in the UK has severely affected all flights.

[Piratis]

This is a pathetic attempt to make GC look "evil" so you can excuse against us yet more crimes. Where have I asked for any "revenge"? You talk about the suffering of TCs, I talk about the suffering of GCs. Are you allowed to talk about your suffering and blame us for it, but I am not allowed to do the same for the many times more crimes you committed against us?

Unlike you, I seek no revenge. What I want for Cyprus is finally to be free from foreign invaders and oppressors, to have one united Cyprus with all Cypriot citizens equal without racist discriminations and anachronistic divisions which you imposed on us since the Ottoman times and you want to maintain in the 21st century. I never asked for even a single of your human rights to be violated.

On the contrary, you distort parts of our history in your attempt to show that "TCs are angels", "GCs are evil" and in this way excuse yet more crimes against us. Therefore you are the one who is seeking revenge, not me.

I can also say "Those Ottoman oppressors who killed 10s of thousands of innocent Cypriot and oppressed us for centuries carried your mentality and therefore you are responsible for their actions. The same goes for the TMT criminals in the 50s and the 60s (which you are personally related to) and for your massive crimes against us in 74" and I could also say "I did not live during the 60s so what happened then it is not my fault". See how easy it is to put blame on you and refuse to take any blame for myself? You are a master in this, but we could easily do the same.

What matters is what YOU are doing TODAY.

And what you support for today and for the future is yet more crimes, racist divisions and human rights violations, and you are selectively choosing parts of the past trying to excuse your criminal actions of today.

On the contrary what I support for today and for the future is a free democratic Cyprus, where all Cypriot citizens are equal with no racist discriminations.

I think we have highjacked miltiades's thread enough,Piratis...You have let the cat out of the bag,I am afraid...You want a solution which will give you 2 GC states first,followed by One GC state,after you outnumber the TCs and vote for unification...When you talk about Cypriots,you only mean Greek Cypriots...The Turkish Cypriots are not Cypriots in your eyes...They are Ottoman remnants who shall be elinimated from the island,preferably by peaceful ways,but failing that by force of arms...The picture is cyrstal clear...I now accept that my dream of reunification is misguided...It will not happen in mylifetime...Because the TCs will not fall for your full democracy and human rights trap...Now lets let miltiades go on with his fascinating stories from a life fully lived...He has no bitterness or hatred towards the TCs who he considers as equal compatriots...We might have to find another island in the Eagean to be neighbours in...too much hatred,bitterness and deception in Cyprus...

Well Bir, finally you revealed yourself as a supporter of ethnic cleansing and the expansionism of Turkey against our island.

I don't want any "states" in Cyprus. Cyprus should be one and undivided and belongs to all Cypriot people. Neither I support the demographic changes you want to force on our island by means of ethnic cleansing and the importation of 10s of thousands of foreign Settlers. If you don't like the fact that the GCs have been the majority of south, north, east and west Cyprus for 1000s of years that doesn't give you the right to kill or ethnically cleanse us in order to get the "Turkish State" you are dreaming about.

In Cyprus there are also the Armenian, Maronite and Latin ethnic groups, not just GCs and TCs. All Cypriots, except the TCs, accept democracy and human rights and we live together in peace without any problems.

Unfortunately you want to grab our land and have gains on our expense and that is why you see democracy and human rights as a threat to your interests.

We are not going to let you turn Cyprus into a little Turkey, and the Cypriot people to the equivalent of the Kurds. We have suffered under such conditions for centuries, and some of us (the Armenian Cypriots) came to Cyprus to escape from this racist discrimination you like to apply by force everywhere your army can reach.

[Bananiot]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

[Oracle]

... Why on earth do we fly the Greek flag which has nothing whatsoever to do with Cypriot citizens who have no allegiance to Greece , including my self..

Well I know you speak Greek (although poorly ). Anyone who can speak Greek, and has gained Greek Wisdom, is entitled to fly the Greek flag since it represents the Hellenic ideals, the backbone of Western civilisation. You will soon start seeing the Greek flag at various Higher Institutions, within the UK, which are gaining in confidence at their right to be Hellenes, once initiated in Classical Greek

[miltiades]

... Why on earth do we fly the Greek flag which has nothing whatsoever to do with Cypriot citizens who have no allegiance to Greece , including my self..

Well I know you speak Greek (although poorly ). Anyone who can speak Greek, and has gained Greek Wisdom, is entitled to fly the Greek flag since it represents the Hellenic ideals, the backbone of Western civilisation. You will soon start seeing the Greek flag at various Higher Institutions, within the UK, which are gaining in confidence at their right to be Hellenes, once initiated in Classical Greek

I can not commend on your Greek since the one and only time we conversed you spoke to me only in English in spite of me encouraging you to speak as I did in Greek . Both my Greek and Cypriot dialects are immaculate , so much so that when in Cyprus no one suspects that I'm a Charlie .

[Oracle]

... Why on earth do we fly the Greek flag which has nothing whatsoever to do with Cypriot citizens who have no allegiance to Greece , including my self..

Well I know you speak Greek (although poorly ). Anyone who can speak Greek, and has gained Greek Wisdom, is entitled to fly the Greek flag since it represents the Hellenic ideals, the backbone of Western civilisation. You will soon start seeing the Greek flag at various Higher Institutions, within the UK, which are gaining in confidence at their right to be Hellenes, once initiated in Classical Greek

I can not commend on your Greek since the one and only time we conversed you spoke to me only in English in spite of me encouraging you to speak as I did in Greek . Both my Greek and Cypriot dialects are immaculate , so much so that when in Cyprus no one suspects that I'm a Charlie .

Thank you my darling, that's exactly what I wanted you to say.

You speak perfect Greek. Hence, you have earned the right to be represented by the Honourable Flag of the Hellenes.

[denizaksulu]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

[Oracle]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Absolutely right Bananiot. Whilst people like Piratis - who instil hatred of the Turk and their 'remnants' the Turkish Cypriots, there will never be a re-unification. Piratis and his ilk are more dangerous than the EOKA-B. Nothing Piratis will ever say will let TCs (most of them) want unification but only partition. hat is Piratis only aim. Well, thats what he will get.

Do you doubt that Piratis supports Democracy?
Do you doubt that Piratis respects Human Rights?

That is all he advocates; Democracy and Human Rights for all!.

The extrapolations about imaginary "consequences" are of your doing and not his.

For how long should we, the Cypriot people, suspend our desire for Democracy and Human Rights, just to please some tyrannous minority who want special racist advantages?

[BirKibrisli]

I have been saying this all along, ever since I wrote my first post. If these fanatics cannot see eye to eye with people like Birkibrisli how in heaven are they helping Cyprus? In reality they hate Cyprus and they will do anything they can to destroy it. These people wanted to annihilate the Turkish Cypriot community in the early 60's in order to create a pure Greek state that would eventually unite with Greece. Just like the Greek army did to all minorities in northern Greece during the 1912 - 1914 wars. Hundreds of villages were erased to the ground by the victorious Greek army. The Turkish army did exactly the same thing during 1925 - 1923 when modern Turkey was established. That was the time when pure nation-states were formed.

If we were given half a chance, we would have done the same to the Turkish Cypriots. These people that shout about democracy and human rights today, turned a deaf year when others were suffering and this alone does not legitimise them to talk about these sacred values.

Thank you ,Bananiot...And I salute you....