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[denizaksulu]

Brilliant - Anymore to come. Have you thought about writing a book about your exploits over here???

What do you mean any more to come??? He has only just arrived in England,there are nearly 50 more years to go...

Miltiades,can you remember what were your feelings towards the TCs at the time??? I remember you talking about ASSO...Can you tell us that story again???

Bir, I suspect you are winding GR up

I remember him saying that in the orphanage he was with TC children too.

GR doesnt need winding up...He is already wound up to max...

I find these personal stories fascinating...You probably hear them from miltiades,but the rest of us are not so lucky...My questions are intended to prompt milti in certain directions..And to let him know his efforts are not wasted on some of us...

He did post that information in the past. You must have missed it. I am surprised.

[BirKibrisli]

Brilliant - Anymore to come. Have you thought about writing a book about your exploits over here???

What do you mean any more to come??? He has only just arrived in England,there are nearly 50 more years to go...

Miltiades,can you remember what were your feelings towards the TCs at the time??? I remember you talking about ASSO...Can you tell us that story again???

Bir, I suspect you are winding GR up

I remember him saying that in the orphanage he was with TC children too.

GR doesnt need winding up...He is already wound up to max...

I find these personal stories fascinating...You probably hear them from miltiades,but the rest of us are not so lucky...My questions are intended to prompt milti in certain directions..And to let him know his efforts are not wasted on some of us...

He did post that information in the past. You must have missed it. I am surprised.

I remember the Orphanage info and his TC friend Asso...I cannot remember miltiades taking about how he felt about the TCs in general,and how others around him felt,back in the early 60s....These personal stories shed a lot of light on what actually happened,where things went wrong,as opposed to doctored history which is written subjectively to make one side or other look good...

[Nikitas]

My first post for 2010, and after wishing everyone Happy New Year, I will add a bit of wisdom to the eating jam with meat quandary, so typical of Cypriots.

Turkey is a game bird. And game tends to elevate uric acid levels. Eating acid fruit, like cranberreis, with game tends to keep uric acid levels in balance. The above was written by a US dietician, but I lost the link.

[BirKibrisli]

My first post for 2010, and after wishing everyone Happy New Year, I will add a bit of wisdom to the eating jam with meat quandary, so typical of Cypriots.

Turkey is a game bird. And game tends to elevate uric acid levels. Eating acid fruit, like cranberreis, with game tends to keep uric acid levels in balance. The above was written by a US dietician, but I lost the link.

Happy new year to you too,Nikitas...
Don't worry about the link,I doubt that GR will visit this thread again...

[miltiades]

I remember my years in the Limassol orphanage very clearly I also remember my best mate , he was the toughest , Assos , a T/C lad who like me had been orphaned. I also remember that there were other T/C children and though of them as children as we were , we all played and fought as children do , we went to our schools and they to theirs. I do remember the kindness of the English mothers taking a stroll along the promenade and always had some little treats for us children who would excitedly run to the railings in anticipation of goodies to come.

Replying to Birs enquiring as to how I felt about the T/Cs at that time , then there were two stages , one was during the EOKA struggle and the general conception that all or most G/Cs embraced during those years .
O n arriving in the UK those misconceptions soon evaporated and found myself re examining much of what went on during those struggle years .

[BirKibrisli]

I remember my years in the Limassol orphanage very clearly I also remember my best mate , he was the toughest , Assos , a T/C lad who like me had been orphaned. I also remember that there were other T/C children and though of them as children as we were , we all played and fought as children do , we went to our schools and they to theirs. I do remember the kindness of the English mothers taking a stroll along the promenade and always had some little treats for us children who would excitedly run to the railings in anticipation of goodies to come.

Replying to Birs enquiring as to how I felt about the T/Cs at that time , then there were two stages , one was during the EOKA struggle and the general conception that all or most G/Cs embraced during those years .
O n arriving in the UK those misconceptions soon evaporated and found myself re examining much of what went on during those struggle years .

Your brother ,Eric,was associated with the EOKA you said...I wonder how he felt about the TCs???Can you ask him??? What was the feeling in EOKA circles at the time about the TCs???

But militiades,dont let my questions get you off the story you are telling...I am really interested to hear about your first 5 years in England...What you did,people you met,how your opinions on Cyprob shaped over time??? I will cut down the questions now and let you get on with your story..

[miltiades]

I remember my years in the Limassol orphanage very clearly I also remember my best mate , he was the toughest , Assos , a T/C lad who like me had been orphaned. I also remember that there were other T/C children and though of them as children as we were , we all played and fought as children do , we went to our schools and they to theirs. I do remember the kindness of the English mothers taking a stroll along the promenade and always had some little treats for us children who would excitedly run to the railings in anticipation of goodies to come.

Replying to Birs enquiring as to how I felt about the T/Cs at that time , then there were two stages , one was during the EOKA struggle and the general conception that all or most G/Cs embraced during those years .
O n arriving in the UK those misconceptions soon evaporated and found myself re examining much of what went on during those struggle years .

Your brother ,Eric,was associated with the EOKA you said...I wonder how he felt about the TCs???Can you ask him??? What was the feeling in EOKA circles at the time about the TCs???

But militiades,dont let my questions get you off the story you are telling...I am really interested to hear about your first 5 years in England...What you did,people you met,how your opinions on Cyprob shaped over time??? I will cut down the questions now and let you get on with your story..

Eric , who now as you may recall has a T/C brother in law , Erdogan or John as he is known by all who married the sister of Eric/s wife , never had any hatred for the T/Cs , to be frank Bir the T/Cs were not considered by EOKA to be their enemy in as much as the real enemy were the British occupation troops . Contrary to what many people think EOKA had some solid principles and no one in the organization would consider going again. Grivas did not preach hatred against the T/Cs neither did he preach hatred against the English ordinary people , had Eric been indoctrinated in hating the English he would not in 1962 marry his English wife. Erdogan -John - came much later and was welcomed into the extended family as one of us , a Cypriot , which is is through and through.
When in 1958 the inter communal troubles begun to surface then more attention was paid to the T/Cs bearing in mind that the British "divide and rule " policy had come into effect with the introduction of the Auxiliary police force made entirely of T/Cs who were seen along with the British troops as legitimate targets.May I also say that Eric joined EOKA for the same reason that all joined. To fight the oppressor and liberate Cyprus,not to murder innocent people either British T/Cs or others.

Eric , I can honestly say , never had any hatred for the T/Cs , he never was interested much in politics , his main interest during those early years in the UK was the full and comprehensive study of the female species a study that on my second day in London , having first diagnosed that the reason I had a few spots on my face was due to the absence of the female interaction as it were !!!
Boy did he show me some sights !!

[Bananiot]

Hate to drop in like this. The unfolding story is fascinating but I feel I should submit my experience about EOKA. During 1957 -1958 EOKA murdered 2 persons in my village. One had 5 kids and the other 6. They were leftists, of course. During that time, almost half of my village, left for England and other foreign lands to escape the menace of these murderers. My brothers were among them. I think the Famagusta district was a different case from the Paphos district. In our district many murders were committed by EOKA.

I also think that my dear friend Miltiades must acknowledge that the armed struggle was not just to get rid of the Brits but also (and probably more important) to unite Cyprus with Greece. Grivas was a fanatic anti communist and this explains his initial declaration barring leftists from the struggle and the subsequent murders of leftists.

[Piratis]

EOKA had as an aim to get rid of the Colonialists and unite Cyprus with the rest of Greece, which was the 100% legitimate right of the Cypriot people.

Beyond that, it is true that Grivas and certain other members of EOKA (but not all, or most) were anti-communists and that they misused their position for aims irrelevant to the struggle of Cyprus for freedom.

However the struggle for freedom from the British and union with the rest of Greece was one supported by the vast majority of the Cypriot people. It was a revolution which had a level of support higher than most other revolutions (there will always be the "Royalists" and "Loyalists" in every revolution. 100% support in anything is not possible) and nothing can diminish this just struggle of the Cypriot people.

Also, although Grivas and a few other EOKA members might have misused their power to attack communists, the TCs were not the aim of EOKA, even Grivas. The TCs became the enemy of GCs (and therefore EOKA) when the TCs collaborated with the colonialists and they attacked innocent and unarmed GCs starting the inter-communal conflict. It is about time that the TCs realized this.

Finally, no EOKA or anything like that would be necessary, if the Turks and the British had accepted the right of the Cypriot people to peacefully and democratically decide the destiny of our own island.

[Paphitis]

The village of Tsada in the Paphos district, was nick named "little Moscow". It earned this nick name because as it so happened, most of the Tsadkiotes were either fanatic or moderate Leftists. Many of these villagers, were also active members of the Grivas 300, or youth and auxiliary affiliates. The most prominent EOKA member from Tsada, also known as "little Moscow", was non other than Evagoras Pallikarides himself. His parents and extended family, were well known supporters of the 'Communist' ideal. Evagoras Pallikarides, also leaned towards the Left, but as you all know, he was also very young, impressionable and very passionate about Cyprus. The young lion was driven to free his island from the British yoke.

So how do I know all of this? Quite simply because, Tsada is MY village, the village of my parents (father), the village of my family which also had extensive affiliations with EOKA and other auxiliary and youth affiliates. The Pallikarides residence is only 3 doors from my Grand Parents house, and my father grew up with him and all were Leftists who were drawn to the then national struggle for independence.

I only wanted to write this because it seems others are so desperately trying to revise history to suit their own purposes!

I also wish to inform, that no one within MY family, or the Pallikarides family ever had any inklings of hatred towards the TCs. In fact, I believe it was the opposite.