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[denizaksulu]

First of all, the reports on one of the links Talisker gave, stated that the population of the Turkish Cypriot is 268,000, which is at least 150% more than there were in 1960. Somehow, whom ever put this report together wants everyone to believe, that if one becomes a citizen of the "trnc", then one becomes a Turkish Cypriot. Obviously, this is not the case since only the RoC can give citizenships for Cyprus and no one else.

But if we were to take the report seriously on the claim of 260,000 TCs, then how can there be "Brain Drain" in the north if there are 150% more "TCs" now (2007) in the north than there were in 1960, if there are more "TCs" now than ever before. If 40,000 TCs left the island since 1960, then it would mean that 200,000 new "TCs" have taken their place. If the report states that there is a "Brain Drain" in the north, it can only mean 3 things.

a) the report is not true, or

b) the report is true, but it means all the 200,000 new "TCs" from Anatolia had left their brains in Turkey before coming to Cyprus, or

c) they didn't have very much to begin with, which has diluted the remaining TCs "Brain Power".

So basically what the report is saying, the north is far worse off now with it's "Brain Power" at 260,000 "TCs" then in 1960 when the TCs numbers were around 100,000.!!

It means that more Anatolians coming to the north, the more "Brain Power" the north is losing.! Usually it works the other way with other countries. So what is the north doing wrong. Are they bringing in people who have become a net loss than a net gain for the "trnc"??.

I’m confused with this report.!:?

Is this the story of Nasreddin Hodjas missing liver?

Where he buys one oke/okkas of liver for the evening meal and his wife cooks it and feeds her neighbours. In the evening he returns home and sees no liver at the table. The wife says , "the cat ate it". The Hodja finds the cat and weighs it. It is exactly one oke/okkas. He asks the wife, "if this (the cat) is the liver, then where is the cat?".

Sorry, we need a bit of humour.

Something like that, Deniz.!

Perhaps if the north sent all the Anatolians back to where they came from, the TCs "Brain Power" will get back to where it was before and more.!

If there ever was a reason to send back the settlers in a settlement agreement, this would pass muster I reckon.!

Kiks, I was pointing out that the Brain Drain started in 1964 if not earlier. I havent got any statistics but from the people I know a lot of grads never returned. I'd say the same might apply to our GC neighbours too, but it would be more noticable among us (due to our smaller numbers).

I would agree with you Deniz if the report gave the TCs population at 60,000 for the north, taking into account all the 40,000 TC "Brain Drain" since 1960, but it gives the north's "TC" population at 260,000, which is 160,000 more than the original 1960 figures for the TCs.! So what the report is saying, the added 200,000 new "TCs" have not been able to replace the lost approx. 40,000 TCs ( my guesstimation) who had left since 1960. So what exactly has this new 200,000 new "TCs" have brought to the north, other than no brains at all, since the "Brain Drain" was still continuing in 2007.?

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

[Get Real!]

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

Turkish Cypriot Population, Selected Dates, Sixteenth Century to 1988

1881........ 45,458
1911........ 56,428
1921........ 61,339
1931........ 64,245
1946........ 80,548
1960....... 104,333
1963....... 120,000
1972......... 78,000
1978........ 146,740 <-- Too much sex or too much import?

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

[Kikapu]

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

You can see it for yourself, Deniz. Page three where the graphs are. It gave the TC population as 268,000. It also gives the GDP per capita for the TCs at almost $15,000 when the report below says totally different. Someone is cooking the books it seems like.!

Turkish Cypriot Competitiveness Report 2008‐2009
http://www.investinnorthcyprus.org/pdf/ ... _Final.pdf

"The division of the two physically separated communities is reinforced by economic differences. While Greek Cypriot per capita gross domestic product (GDP) is approximately $19,200, Turkish Cypriot per capita GDP is approximately $5,600. The disenchantment of the Turkish Cypriot community is reflected in an ongoing process of emigration, including many of the young, and a resulting brain drain."

http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2006/ee/cy.html

[denizaksulu]

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

Turkish Cypriot Population, Selected Dates, Sixteenth Century to 1988

1881........ 45,458
1911........ 56,428
1921........ 61,339
1931........ 64,245
1946........ 80,548
1960....... 104,333
1963....... 120,000
1972......... 78,000
1978........ 146,740 <-- Too much sex or too much import?

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

Dont be a Hick Dead GR. There can never be 'too much sex'. It must be the other.

[denizaksulu]

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

You can see it for yourself, Deniz. Page three where the graphs are. It gave the TC population as 268,000. It also gives the GDP per capita for the TCs at almost $15,000 when the report below says totally different. Someone is cooking the books it seems like.!

Turkish Cypriot Competitiveness Report 2008‐2009
http://www.investinnorthcyprus.org/pdf/ ... _Final.pdf

"The division of the two physically separated communities is reinforced by economic differences. While Greek Cypriot per capita gross domestic product (GDP) is approximately $19,200, Turkish Cypriot per capita GDP is approximately $5,600. The disenchantment of the Turkish Cypriot community is reflected in an ongoing process of emigration, including many of the young, and a resulting brain drain."

http://www.usaid.gov/policy/budget/cbj2006/ee/cy.html

They have surely cooked up the figures alright. On page 19, it says the figure given is an estimate based on 2006 figures. They extrapolated wrongly. With the imports they can show the population as high as a million if they want to play that game. The rise in population is not a natural progress. You can only get that figure by extrapolation using imports.

[paliometoxo]

Oh, I definitely agree with you there. The figures definitely look dodgy. I dont believe the TC population of Cyprus ever reached above 120, 000. (Unless ofcourse they added to non-Cypriots too).

Turkish Cypriot Population, Selected Dates, Sixteenth Century to 1988

1881........ 45,458
1911........ 56,428
1921........ 61,339
1931........ 64,245
1946........ 80,548
1960....... 104,333
1963....... 120,000
1972......... 78,000
1978........ 146,740 <-- Too much sex or too much import?

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/cyprus/cy_appen.html

they fcuk like rabbits our teacher was telling us that turkey population is going to grow so much more then tripple by 10 years they will reach more then germany but in greece the population will decrease while in south cyprus it will stay the same..

i gues greek womena nd cypriot girls dont want to have kids for whatever reason they like to live life with no kids.. while the turks screw like bunnies..

maybe its force marrages and kids but whatever they do its working

[Talisker]

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the information within the links I provide, but hope they lead to interesting debate!

You might want to look at the information below from 'The Final Results of TRNC General Population and Housing Unit Census (2006)' (Doesn't copy and paste well into the forum format so suggest you look at table on page 8 entitled 'POPULATION ACCORDING TO CITIZENSHIP' from: http://www.nufussayimi.devplan.org/Census%202006.pdf).

De facto population De facto % share De jure population De jure % share
GENERAL TOTAL 265,100 100.0 256,644 100.0
1. TRNC 133,937 50.5 135,106 52.6
2. TRNC AND OTHER 42,795 16.1 42,925 16.7
a. TRNC ‐ Turkey 33,870 12.8 34,370 13.4
b. TRNC ‐ UK 4,185 1.6 3,854 1.5
c. TRNC ‐ Other 4,740 1.8 4,701 1.8
3. TURKEY 77,731 29.3 70,525 27.5
4. OTHER 10,637 4.0 8,088 3.2
a. Uk 4,458 1.7 2,729 1.1
b. Bulgaria 831 0.3 797 0.3
c. Iran 775 0.3 759 0.3
d. Moldovia 485 0.2 354 0.1
e. Pakistan 490 0.2 475 0.2
f. Germany 343 0.1 181 0.1
d. Other 3,255 1.2 2,793 1.1

[Get Real!]

.. while the turks screw like bunnies..

And to think Easter is just around the corner…

[denizaksulu]

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the information within the links I provide, but hope they lead to interesting debate!

You might want to look at the information below from 'The Final Results of TRNC General Population and Housing Unit Census (2006)' (Doesn't copy and paste well into the forum format so suggest you look at table on page 8 entitled 'POPULATION ACCORDING TO CITIZENSHIP' from: http://www.nufussayimi.devplan.org/Census%202006.pdf).

De facto population De facto % share De jure population De jure % share
GENERAL TOTAL 265,100 100.0 256,644 100.0
1. TRNC 133,937 50.5 135,106 52.6
2. TRNC AND OTHER 42,795 16.1 42,925 16.7
a. TRNC ‐ Turkey 33,870 12.8 34,370 13.4
b. TRNC ‐ UK 4,185 1.6 3,854 1.5
c. TRNC ‐ Other 4,740 1.8 4,701 1.8
3. TURKEY 77,731 29.3 70,525 27.5
4. OTHER 10,637 4.0 8,088 3.2
a. Uk 4,458 1.7 2,729 1.1
b. Bulgaria 831 0.3 797 0.3
c. Iran 775 0.3 759 0.3
d. Moldovia 485 0.2 354 0.1
e. Pakistan 490 0.2 475 0.2
f. Germany 343 0.1 181 0.1
d. Other 3,255 1.2 2,793 1.1

Thanks Talisker.

So the figure of 265K includes 'every body' in the north, including tourists and others. By others do they mean the small GC/Karpasia enclave and the Maronites?

[Talisker]

I can't vouch for the accuracy of the information within the links I provide, but hope they lead to interesting debate!

You might want to look at the information below from 'The Final Results of TRNC General Population and Housing Unit Census (2006)' (Doesn't copy and paste well into the forum format so suggest you look at table on page 8 entitled 'POPULATION ACCORDING TO CITIZENSHIP' from: http://www.nufussayimi.devplan.org/Census%202006.pdf).

De facto population De facto % share De jure population De jure % share
GENERAL TOTAL 265,100 100.0 256,644 100.0
1. TRNC 133,937 50.5 135,106 52.6
2. TRNC AND OTHER 42,795 16.1 42,925 16.7
a. TRNC ‐ Turkey 33,870 12.8 34,370 13.4
b. TRNC ‐ UK 4,185 1.6 3,854 1.5
c. TRNC ‐ Other 4,740 1.8 4,701 1.8
3. TURKEY 77,731 29.3 70,525 27.5
4. OTHER 10,637 4.0 8,088 3.2
a. Uk 4,458 1.7 2,729 1.1
b. Bulgaria 831 0.3 797 0.3
c. Iran 775 0.3 759 0.3
d. Moldovia 485 0.2 354 0.1
e. Pakistan 490 0.2 475 0.2
f. Germany 343 0.1 181 0.1
d. Other 3,255 1.2 2,793 1.1

Thanks Talisker.

So the figure of 265K includes 'every body' in the north, including tourists and others. By others do they mean the small GC/Karpasia enclave and the Maronites?

No, I don't think so - if you look at page 2 (Other Citizens De-Jure Population by Citizenship, Age Group and Gender) of 'additional tables' (http://www.nufussayimi.devplan.org/Additional%20Tables.pdf) then you'll notice most individuals in this category are in the 16-30 age range. But I can't be sure as I don't know the numbers of Maronites or GCs at Karpasia.

I'm sure some will also be interested in the tables (Immigrated Population by Year, Citizenship and Gender) on pages 3 and 4 of the same document.