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.. Figure on commenting pre-1974 ...

I can only comment now, unless you have a time machine ...

Anyway, I think you'll find Turkey had her dirty mitts on this Island long before 1974.

We have a time machine,oracle...It is called HISTORY...Find some objective sources and do something about your total blindness,it might even cure you of your bitterness and hatred..

Here is some history for you.

Why are you showing him that old video my friend? Can i just say that Oracle's views are no different from the millions of people who live in Turkey. Yes, Turkey. Are Kurds racists as well? Speaking of history...it appears the Turks haven't learned anything from history and that concerns me.

Here is a RECENT video below of a Kurd being beaten by an angry mob and the police...what are they doing? Joining the f_ckin mob. Doesnt this video remind you of what happened way back to Tassos Issac who was savagely beaten to death?



Why, why cant we all just get along says my tree hugging meta-leftist anarchist friend, Bananiot. We the Greek Cypriots must try to understand the realities on the ground say my Turkish Cypriot friends. I can get along and i do honestly try to understand my TC friends. But maybe there wouldnt be so much hate if there was REAL peace. When is that going to happen? That is what i want to understand. Why, why is it that friends and family members of mine can not live in the north of their very own country? When are Greek Cypriots going to be allowed to live where they please! When is that going to happen!? That's what i want to understand. Do you people UNDERSTAND what I am saying?

In other words...the people of Cyprus need REAL peace before they can start singing Kumbaya.

[boomerang]

a quick responce ro Bir

The first intercommunal massacre, in the sense that it was the killing of a group of one of the ethnic groups, happened near the village of Guneli. It was a setup, the British patrol stopped a bus of Greek Cypriot civilians, sent the bus away and then let them walk through the fields to their village. They were intercepted and hacked to death by TMT (Turkish fighters). So when people here refer to massacres and atonement they should keep in mind that both communities indulged in massacres, and both harbor killers who were never indicted or even named for their misdeeds. Calling on one side to confess and come clean justifiably raises hackles. What about the killers of the other side? How come they are given absolution in advance?

maybe bayaraki boy can stick this in his museum...

PS...Bir I will get back to your post later on, I haven't forgotten about it

[BirKibrisli]

.. Figure on commenting pre-1974 ...

I can only comment now, unless you have a time machine ...

Anyway, I think you'll find Turkey had her dirty mitts on this Island long before 1974.

We have a time machine,oracle...It is called HISTORY...Find some objective sources and do something about your total blindness,it might even cure you of your bitterness and hatred..

Here is some history for you.

How the Turks started it all:

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

How the Turks started the inter-communal conflict just 80 years after their 300+ year oppressive rule was over:



Yes, in the wars you started against us we fought back and you had a (comparatively) few casualties as well and you suffered as well for a decade.

Since this is what you want we have no problem to examine our whole history (not just after 74 or just 63-74) and find who has the most blame.

What do you think you can achieve with this? Put the blame on GCs so you can excuse yet more crimes against us? You can't do that. Because you and your partners in crimes (Turkey/UK) are the ones who have the most blame by far. Unlike you, we are forgiving, and we don't want to punish you for your countless crimes you have committed against us during most of the last 439 years, but we will certainly not allow you to falsify history and put the blame on us for the crimes you and your partners are responsible for.

Sorry to awaken you from your new year slumber,Piratis...

Best wishes to you and your loved -ones in 2010....

No point discussing anything with you or Oracle...You are so fixed on TCs wanting to justify their gains on your lossess etc etc...I am still waitng for you or Oracle to point out to me personally what I gained in this conflict...I have lost my country,60% to you and 40% to Turkey....Where are my gains??????
Where are my gains?????? where are my gains??????

[BirKibrisli]

.. Figure on commenting pre-1974 ...

I can only comment now, unless you have a time machine ...

Anyway, I think you'll find Turkey had her dirty mitts on this Island long before 1974.

We have a time machine,oracle...It is called HISTORY...Find some objective sources and do something about your total blindness,it might even cure you of your bitterness and hatred..

Here is some history for you.

Why are you showing him that old video my friend? Can i just say that Oracle's views are no different from the millions of people who live in Turkey. Yes, Turkey. Are Kurds racists as well? Speaking of history...it appears the Turks haven't learned anything from history and that concerns me.

Here is a RECENT video below of a Kurd being beaten by an angry mob and the police...what are they doing? Joining the f_ckin mob. Doesnt this video remind you of what happened way back to Tassos Issac who was savagely beaten to death?



Why, why cant we all just get along says my tree hugging meta-leftist anarchist friend, Bananiot. We the Greek Cypriots must try to understand the realities on the ground say my Turkish Cypriot friends. I can get along and i do honestly try to understand my TC friends. But maybe there wouldnt be so much hate if there was REAL peace. When is that going to happen? That is what i want to understand. Why, why is it that friends and family members of mine can not live in the north of their very own country? When are Greek Cypriots going to be allowed to live where they please! When is that going to happen!? That's what i want to understand. Do you people UNDERSTAND what I am saying?

In other words...the people of Cyprus need REAL peace before they can start singing Kumbaya.

Real Peace will come when we can sit down together,and without throwing insults around,talk objectively about what happened in our sorry past...When we both admit our mistakes adn admit our role in this mess,when we can maturely say sorry and embrace each other as brothers and sisters who were both victims of the geopolitical power plays of the big boys,then we might have a chance of achieving real peace...
If we keep going on,2 victims at each others' throats,we will simply cement the hatred and biterness and will have no other choice but to agree we cannot possbily live together as one people one nation...That will leave us 2 choices : to coexist side by side,or to wait for the first opportunity to take up arms against each other,hence perpetuating the circle of pain and suffering...

[BirKibrisli]

a quick responce ro Bir

The first intercommunal massacre, in the sense that it was the killing of a group of one of the ethnic groups, happened near the village of Guneli. It was a setup, the British patrol stopped a bus of Greek Cypriot civilians, sent the bus away and then let them walk through the fields to their village. They were intercepted and hacked to death by TMT (Turkish fighters). So when people here refer to massacres and atonement they should keep in mind that both communities indulged in massacres, and both harbor killers who were never indicted or even named for their misdeeds. Calling on one side to confess and come clean justifiably raises hackles. What about the killers of the other side? How come they are given absolution in advance?

maybe bayaraki boy can stick this in his museum...

PS...Bir I will get back to your post later on, I haven't forgotten about it

I have never denied this episode,boomers...In fact I talked about it myself on more than one ocassion....Nikitas forgot to mention that the British had already warned the TCs to expect an attack by the EOKA on their village...Then they led these poor innocent lambs to slaughter...It is a shameful episode....But unless we put this in the big picture (not in order to justify it,it cannot be justified) we will never get the full story of how the events unfolded and how we came to be killing each other in such a short period of time,after coexisting peacefully for hundreds of years before....That is all I am rying to do...Not ,as Piratis and Oracle insist,to justify the TC gains and attrocities....To get the full picture so we can find some common ground to understand and forgive each other for the wrongs we have committed knowingly or unknowingly against each other....This is the only way to a solution..Trying to put all the blame on one side is just senseless...It will lead to more conflict and hatred,,,Is that what we want????

[Expatkiwi]

Don't dump on Oracle too much, guys. Her and I badly disagree on the Cyprus Problem, but she took the time to send me condolences and notes of concern about me after my son died, and we have at times tried to bridge the gap in order to find some common ground. We all have our beliefs and our opinions, and I have to respect hers.

Do you respect her opinion that Turks-TCs are the scum of the earth,Expat???I have no doubt under that racist and bigoted exterior there is a human being trying to get out,but so far her bitterness and hatred keeps her down in the bog...

He opinion on Turks-TC's is one of the things Oracle and I do disagree on, Bir. Still, she took time out to send me some heartfelt condolences on the death of my only son, and I can't forget that.

[BirKibrisli]

Don't dump on Oracle too much, guys. Her and I badly disagree on the Cyprus Problem, but she took the time to send me condolences and notes of concern about me after my son died, and we have at times tried to bridge the gap in order to find some common ground. We all have our beliefs and our opinions, and I have to respect hers.

Do you respect her opinion that Turks-TCs are the scum of the earth,Expat???I have no doubt under that racist and bigoted exterior there is a human being trying to get out,but so far her bitterness and hatred keeps her down in the bog...

He opinion on Turks-TC's is one of the things Oracle and I do disagree on, Bir. Still, she took time out to send me some heartfelt condolences on the death of my only son, and I can't forget that.

Fair enough...If she would only show the rest of us some of her human side,we might get to understand her a little better...

[paliometoxo]

the turkish did a huge protest in ankara for the greeks when the police shot the kid that was nice to see

[BirKibrisli]

the turkish did a huge protest in ankara for the greeks when the police shot the kid that was nice to see

I didn't know that,palio...Thanks for pointing it out...

[Piratis]

Sorry to awaken you from your new year slumber,Piratis...

Best wishes to you and your loved -ones in 2010....

No point discussing anything with you or Oracle...You are so fixed on TCs wanting to justify their gains on your lossess etc etc...I am still waitng for you or Oracle to point out to me personally what I gained in this conflict...I have lost my country,60% to you and 40% to Turkey....Where are my gains??????
Where are my gains?????? where are my gains??????

Best wishes to you too Bir

Gains were those that were given to the TCs with the 1960 agreements, such as 30% of the civil servant positions. And the Turkish side today demands even more gains on our expense, such as 30% of the land and 50% of the power. All these for the 18% of the population.

The lesson you should have learned is that by being greedy and trying to gain too much for yourselves you are provoking the majority of the population and you end up having way less than what you were hoping for.

If you continue acting in this way then you will continue asking "Where are my gains?". Just accept that you can not have any gains on our expense, and that the only solution is to have equal citizens without racist discrimination and that as a community you can have your fair share in land, power etc, which is proportional to your population.

There is no point in looking back in history trying to find excuses to impose in Cyprus something which is not fair. History does NOT give such excuse to you. The sooner you accept this the better for all.