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[Me Ed]

The problem with too many people on this forum is that they dwell on the past as opposed to learning from it.

As a GC I fully accept that mistakes, actrocities and self-interest were comitted by both sides.

However, the RoC has learned from the past and eliminated Greece from its affairs is now an EU member in its own right and has far to much too lose is starting another conflict.

I do not know of any GC that has ever supported or advocated enosis with Greece.

The question is are the TCs ready to stand along side the GCs and govern this island?

Are they ready to make and accept the often tough and unpopular decision that are sometimes needed when governing a nation?

TCs must accept that the GC cannot be allowed to feel threatened by a large Turkish force when they need to make unpopular decisions because that is no way to govern a country. .

I don't want to dwell on the past,Ed...I just want both sides to acknowledge their mistakes,appologise to each other,and show enough empathy and compassion to prepare the ground for reunification...When I am told "you are exaggerating to justify your gains on our loss" and I have lost everything and gained nothing in this bloody conflict,my back gets up...We have lost 50 years bickering and accusing each other of terrible deeds and denying our part in it,while we should have been trying to come to terms with the past,foster understanding and trust,so that people would be willing to live together again...We have proven to be as stubborn as our infamous donkeys...Now we are ripping the results...

Bir,

I fully agree with you and it would be quite something if Christofias and Talat both stood up and both mutually apologised to each other.

I for one would be in full support of such a move as it will go very far towards reconciliation.

[Oracle]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

Your continual harping back to your "suffering" and your oversubscription to symptoms of "PTSD" does not excuse what is happening today nor your support of Turkey's presence and influence, now or in the future.

Do you really think your suffering was so much worse that you have to make such a song and dance about it? That it forms the basis of your every remark and reason for supporting the presence of Turkey? Is it that you want us to acknowledge your "suffering" was worse, so that you can turn around and say "Turkey is justified in punishing them!"? Because if it's not, that is how it sounds!

Why have we, the GCs, who have lost thousands upon thousands of our relatives and live with hundreds of thousands of displaced ethnically cleansed brothers who did nothing wrong other than be "Greek" in the eyes of Turk-TCs; why have we always embraced democracy and equal rights for all?... When you, who have a lost a few hundred people, insist on punishing us with your troops ... Punishing us with taking away our human rights! Punishing us by insistance on ruling us!

How can you justify what is happening today by some sick, unreliable memory of what may or may not have happened in the past? Why do you go on about it, necessitating the need to be corrected for your exaggerations ... and they are plenty!

I personally do not care for people who use such excuses, such wrongs, to justify an even BIGGER wrong ... Yet you insidiously pardon Turkey, bless Turkey, for carving up our country and racially segregating the GCs away from their homes! And this is justified in your eyes because you have a "memory" of some bad times. Well boo hoo! We did then, and we do NOW!

You epitomise foolishness for trolling the forum with your "misery", begging for attention, so that you can say Turkey is justified in the total extinction of GCs from half their island.

It is not!

Even if you lost thousands of TCs at the hands of GCs ... Turkey is NOT justified in what she did in 1964, 1974 or today! So give it a rest, but seek some professional help for your inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a lack of maturity in accepting responsibility.

[BirKibrisli]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

on your last point, again avoiding to answer what I asked you...here it is again...how do you expect the gcs to accept turkey or anyone else for that fact having a foothold on cyprus, when twice as many gcs suffered than tcs...and now you wanna force the tcs to accept turkey...

further more bir you avoided answering, regarding the attrocities of WW2 and the sufferings of the jews at the hands of the germans...the jews suffered...the german people put the the tragic events behind them, the only way possible...the jews of today feel at ease because democracy, human rights and the rule of law allowed them...

judging by what you are telling me is that the tcs are st stuck in a time warp...unable to see how the world has evolved around them...thats a fact bir...

bir if every nationality around the world had the mentality of the tcs, the world would have been a very unfriendly ...i am sure you can conside the attrocitoes the tcs and gcs suffered are miniscule comparing to other attrocities and genocides...the question is bir how did these people put it behind them and moved on...this is the part that needs answering...

I have unswered all your questions,boomers,but perhaps not directly...
I will try again...Turkey did not wake up on one July morning and decide to invade Cyprus...The Sampson coup gave them the excuse to exercise their right under the international treaty...Now,if the majority GCs do not intend to engage in similar acts of stupidity again why would they be afraid of a token Turkish army presence....That is the thinking of the average TC... And given their past experience you cannot possibly blame them...

Germany has accepted the wrongs suffered by the Jews under Hitler,officially appologised and compensated as many people as possible for their loss and pain...The RoC government has not accepted let alone appologised for the TC loss and pain...They insist on denying our modern history,hence evoking mistrust in the TCs...That is the difference...You cannot draw parallels there...

The world might have evolved around the TCs but nothing has changed in their circumstances....Their economic and social life might not be much to write home about,if they had a home,but at least they are feeling physically secure in their beds at night...I remember learning to use a shotgun at about 7 or 8,a hand gun about 10,and a hand grenade about 12...I still cannot sleep unless all doors and windows are checked and secured,after 40 years,in Australia...You figure that out before telling me the attrocities Cypriots suffered were miniscule compared to others'...This is the big mistake you are all making on this forum...You cannot quantify the trauma suffered by people by statements like "others suffered more or for longer"...Try telling a mother whose son or husband was killed in a civil war that she should take comfort in the fact that more people died from the other side,or at the other side of the world...Human pain and trauma is not relative...It is subjective,emotional and permanent...

People put trauma behind them by dealing with the past honestly,openly and by getting their pain and suffering acknowledged and treated by all available methods...Communities are no different...Denials and insults will not do...It will make it worse,solution impossible...

[BirKibrisli]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

Your continual harping back to your "suffering" and your oversubscription to symptoms of "PTSD" does not excuse what is happening today nor your support of Turkey's presence and influence, now or in the future.

Do you really think your suffering was so much worse that you have to make such a song and dance about it? That it forms the basis of your every remark and reason for supporting the presence of Turkey? Is it that you want us to acknowledge your "suffering" was worse, so that you can turn around and say "Turkey is justified in punishing them!"? Because if it's not, that is how it sounds!

Why have we, the GCs, who have lost thousands upon thousands of our relatives and live with hundreds of thousands of displaced ethnically cleansed brothers who did nothing wrong other than be "Greek" in the eyes of Turk-TCs; why have we always embraced democracy and equal rights for all?... When you, who have a lost a few hundred people, insist on punishing us with your troops ... Punishing us with taking away our human rights! Punishing us by insistance on ruling us!

How can you justify what is happening today by some sick, unreliable memory of what may or may not have happened in the past? Why do you go on about it, necessitating the need to be corrected for your exaggerations ... and they are plenty!

I personally do not care for people who use such excuses, such wrongs, to justify an even BIGGER wrong ... Yet you insidiously pardon Turkey, bless Turkey, for carving up our country and racially segregating the GCs away from their homes! And this is justified in your eyes because you have a "memory" of some bad times. Well boo hoo! We did then, and we do NOW!

You epitomise foolishness for trolling the forum with your "misery", begging for attention, so that you can say Turkey is justified in the total extinction of GCs from half their island.

It is not!

Even if you lost thousands of TCs at the hands of GCs ... Turkey is NOT justified in what she did in 1964, 1974 or today! So give it a rest, but seek some professional help for your inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a lack of maturity in accepting responsibility.

As I wrote above : black-or-white thinking,overgeneralisation,mind-reading,fortune telling,labelling,catastrophising,,,etc..etc...Coming on this forum and spilling out your bittreeness and hatred of all things Turkish/TC is no substitute for psychiatric treatment,Oracle...Do us all a favour and get some treatment soon...You will be amazed at the changes...

[boomerang]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

on your last point, again avoiding to answer what I asked you...here it is again...how do you expect the gcs to accept turkey or anyone else for that fact having a foothold on cyprus, when twice as many gcs suffered than tcs...and now you wanna force the tcs to accept turkey...

further more bir you avoided answering, regarding the attrocities of WW2 and the sufferings of the jews at the hands of the germans...the jews suffered...the german people put the the tragic events behind them, the only way possible...the jews of today feel at ease because democracy, human rights and the rule of law allowed them...

judging by what you are telling me is that the tcs are st stuck in a time warp...unable to see how the world has evolved around them...thats a fact bir...

bir if every nationality around the world had the mentality of the tcs, the world would have been a very unfriendly ...i am sure you can conside the attrocitoes the tcs and gcs suffered are miniscule comparing to other attrocities and genocides...the question is bir how did these people put it behind them and moved on...this is the part that needs answering...

I have unswered all your questions,boomers,but perhaps not directly...
I will try again...Turkey did not wake up on one July morning and decide to invade Cyprus...The Sampson coup gave them the excuse to exercise their right under the international treaty...Now,if the majority GCs do not intend to engage in similar acts of stupidity again why would they be afraid of a token Turkish army presence....That is the thinking of the average TC... And given their past experience you cannot possibly blame them...

Germany has accepted the wrongs suffered by the Jews under Hitler,officially appologised and compensated as many people as possible for their loss and pain...The RoC government has not accepted let alone appologised for the TC loss and pain...They insist on denying our modern history,hence evoking mistrust in the TCs...That is the difference...You cannot draw parallels there...

The world might have evolved around the TCs but nothing has changed in their circumstances....Their economic and social life might not be much to write home about,if they had a home,but at least they are feeling physically secure in their beds at night...I remember learning to use a shotgun at about 7 or 8,a hand gun about 10,and a hand grenade about 12...I still cannot sleep unless all doors and windows are checked and secured,after 40 years,in Australia...You figure that out before telling me the attrocities Cypriots suffered were miniscule compared to others'...This is the big mistake you are all making on this forum...You cannot quantify the trauma suffered by people by statements like "others suffered more or for longer"...Try telling a mother whose son or husband was killed in a civil war that she should take comfort in the fact that more people died from the other side,or at the other side of the world...Human pain and trauma is not relative...It is subjective,emotional and permanent...

People put trauma behind them by dealing with the past honestly,openly and by getting their pain and suffering acknowledged and treated by all available methods...Communities are no different...Denials and insults will not do...It will make it worse,solution impossible...

tomorrow bir...i'm off to watch larry david in how to curb your enthusiasm... :llol:

[Oracle]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

Your continual harping back to your "suffering" and your oversubscription to symptoms of "PTSD" does not excuse what is happening today nor your support of Turkey's presence and influence, now or in the future.

Do you really think your suffering was so much worse that you have to make such a song and dance about it? That it forms the basis of your every remark and reason for supporting the presence of Turkey? Is it that you want us to acknowledge your "suffering" was worse, so that you can turn around and say "Turkey is justified in punishing them!"? Because if it's not, that is how it sounds!

Why have we, the GCs, who have lost thousands upon thousands of our relatives and live with hundreds of thousands of displaced ethnically cleansed brothers who did nothing wrong other than be "Greek" in the eyes of Turk-TCs; why have we always embraced democracy and equal rights for all?... When you, who have a lost a few hundred people, insist on punishing us with your troops ... Punishing us with taking away our human rights! Punishing us by insistance on ruling us!

How can you justify what is happening today by some sick, unreliable memory of what may or may not have happened in the past? Why do you go on about it, necessitating the need to be corrected for your exaggerations ... and they are plenty!

I personally do not care for people who use such excuses, such wrongs, to justify an even BIGGER wrong ... Yet you insidiously pardon Turkey, bless Turkey, for carving up our country and racially segregating the GCs away from their homes! And this is justified in your eyes because you have a "memory" of some bad times. Well boo hoo! We did then, and we do NOW!

You epitomise foolishness for trolling the forum with your "misery", begging for attention, so that you can say Turkey is justified in the total extinction of GCs from half their island.

It is not!

Even if you lost thousands of TCs at the hands of GCs ... Turkey is NOT justified in what she did in 1964, 1974 or today! So give it a rest, but seek some professional help for your inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a lack of maturity in accepting responsibility.

As I wrote above : black-or-white thinking,overgeneralisation,mind-reading,fortune telling,labelling,catastrophising,,,etc..etc...Coming on this forum and spilling out your bittreeness and hatred of all things Turkish/TC is no substitute for psychiatric treatment,Oracle...Do us all a favour and get some treatment soon...You will be amazed at the changes...

Yes we've seen what "treatment" has done to you!

Unlike you, I have no internal demons with which I do battle. I'm an average, ordinary person who faces the truth, full on, and have no need to justify the actions of the people I love and adore.

As for the Turks, they are hated by all law abiding, self-respecting humanists .... I am not alone!

[BirKibrisli]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

Your continual harping back to your "suffering" and your oversubscription to symptoms of "PTSD" does not excuse what is happening today nor your support of Turkey's presence and influence, now or in the future.

Do you really think your suffering was so much worse that you have to make such a song and dance about it? That it forms the basis of your every remark and reason for supporting the presence of Turkey? Is it that you want us to acknowledge your "suffering" was worse, so that you can turn around and say "Turkey is justified in punishing them!"? Because if it's not, that is how it sounds!

Why have we, the GCs, who have lost thousands upon thousands of our relatives and live with hundreds of thousands of displaced ethnically cleansed brothers who did nothing wrong other than be "Greek" in the eyes of Turk-TCs; why have we always embraced democracy and equal rights for all?... When you, who have a lost a few hundred people, insist on punishing us with your troops ... Punishing us with taking away our human rights! Punishing us by insistance on ruling us!

How can you justify what is happening today by some sick, unreliable memory of what may or may not have happened in the past? Why do you go on about it, necessitating the need to be corrected for your exaggerations ... and they are plenty!

I personally do not care for people who use such excuses, such wrongs, to justify an even BIGGER wrong ... Yet you insidiously pardon Turkey, bless Turkey, for carving up our country and racially segregating the GCs away from their homes! And this is justified in your eyes because you have a "memory" of some bad times. Well boo hoo! We did then, and we do NOW!

You epitomise foolishness for trolling the forum with your "misery", begging for attention, so that you can say Turkey is justified in the total extinction of GCs from half their island.

It is not!

Even if you lost thousands of TCs at the hands of GCs ... Turkey is NOT justified in what she did in 1964, 1974 or today! So give it a rest, but seek some professional help for your inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a lack of maturity in accepting responsibility.

As I wrote above : black-or-white thinking,overgeneralisation,mind-reading,fortune telling,labelling,catastrophising,,,etc..etc...Coming on this forum and spilling out your bittreeness and hatred of all things Turkish/TC is no substitute for psychiatric treatment,Oracle...Do us all a favour and get some treatment soon...You will be amazed at the changes...

Yes we've seen what "treatment" has done to you!

Unlike you, I have no internal demons with which I do battle. I'm an average, ordinary person who faces the truth, full on, and have no need to justify the actions of the people I love and adore.

As for the Turks, they are hated by all law abiding, self-respecting humanists .... I am not alone!

I forgot to mention it,but magnification is another cognitive distortion found in PTSD sufferers...I will think of others as we go along...I am serious,Oracle...You need professional help urgently...

[Oracle]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

Your continual harping back to your "suffering" and your oversubscription to symptoms of "PTSD" does not excuse what is happening today nor your support of Turkey's presence and influence, now or in the future.

Do you really think your suffering was so much worse that you have to make such a song and dance about it? That it forms the basis of your every remark and reason for supporting the presence of Turkey? Is it that you want us to acknowledge your "suffering" was worse, so that you can turn around and say "Turkey is justified in punishing them!"? Because if it's not, that is how it sounds!

Why have we, the GCs, who have lost thousands upon thousands of our relatives and live with hundreds of thousands of displaced ethnically cleansed brothers who did nothing wrong other than be "Greek" in the eyes of Turk-TCs; why have we always embraced democracy and equal rights for all?... When you, who have a lost a few hundred people, insist on punishing us with your troops ... Punishing us with taking away our human rights! Punishing us by insistance on ruling us!

How can you justify what is happening today by some sick, unreliable memory of what may or may not have happened in the past? Why do you go on about it, necessitating the need to be corrected for your exaggerations ... and they are plenty!

I personally do not care for people who use such excuses, such wrongs, to justify an even BIGGER wrong ... Yet you insidiously pardon Turkey, bless Turkey, for carving up our country and racially segregating the GCs away from their homes! And this is justified in your eyes because you have a "memory" of some bad times. Well boo hoo! We did then, and we do NOW!

You epitomise foolishness for trolling the forum with your "misery", begging for attention, so that you can say Turkey is justified in the total extinction of GCs from half their island.

It is not!

Even if you lost thousands of TCs at the hands of GCs ... Turkey is NOT justified in what she did in 1964, 1974 or today! So give it a rest, but seek some professional help for your inability to distinguish between right and wrong and a lack of maturity in accepting responsibility.

As I wrote above : black-or-white thinking,overgeneralisation,mind-reading,fortune telling,labelling,catastrophising,,,etc..etc...Coming on this forum and spilling out your bittreeness and hatred of all things Turkish/TC is no substitute for psychiatric treatment,Oracle...Do us all a favour and get some treatment soon...You will be amazed at the changes...

Yes we've seen what "treatment" has done to you!

Unlike you, I have no internal demons with which I do battle. I'm an average, ordinary person who faces the truth, full on, and have no need to justify the actions of the people I love and adore.

As for the Turks, they are hated by all law abiding, self-respecting humanists .... I am not alone!

I forgot to mention it,but magnification is another cognitive distortion found in PTSD sufferers...I will think of others as we go along...I am serious,Oracle...You need professional help urgently...

I think you would have to prove me wrong on that one, first ...

But denial seems to be another of your weaknesses!

[Expatkiwi]

But denial seems to be another of your weaknesses!

And unfortunately, intolerance is one of your weaknesses, Oracle. I'm not being nasty, but I am saying that such hatred is going to end up consuming you, and I don't want to see that happen.

[Oracle]

But denial seems to be another of your weaknesses!

And unfortunately, intolerance is one of your weaknesses, Oracle. I'm not being nasty, but I am saying that such hatred is going to end up consuming you, and I don't want to see that happen.

It's only right to hate those who harm the weak. Turkey has harmed the GCs and just like any normal human hates murderers, paedophiles and unjust people, so, I hate the Turks who violate Human Rights. How can I tolerate cruelty?

So, worry about yourself because it seems your love of things illegal, like the stolen half of our island, is seeping into various other related unsavoury characteristics .....