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[Oracle]

... I will soon be advocating Turkey taking over the rest of Cyprus,and putting people like you in your proper place.... :twisted:

You and the rest of the fanatical,twisted,racist provocateurs are the ones who will perpetuate Turkey's occupation...I give you too much credit by expecting you to appreciate this point...Annihilation is too good for the likes of you...You should be left to slowly drown in your hateful vomit....V-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly... :twisted:

But of course, the TCs who you extol as angels that deserve special privileges, are nothing like the image you currently portray.

Some things never change! The threat from Turkey, which you casually employ above, has always been used against us by TCs, to enforce their ill-gotten and unfair gains, throughout their history on our island. This threat and actuality is how you keep us enslaved and discriminated against, within our own country. This occupation and racism against the GCs, currently evident, is a continuation of how we have always been treated by Turk-TCs. The stolen properties are analogous to the unfair privileges you had to rule us with.

We "provoke" by merely existing ....

[BirKibrisli]

... I will soon be advocating Turkey taking over the rest of Cyprus,and putting people like you in your proper place.... :twisted:

You and the rest of the fanatical,twisted,racist provocateurs are the ones who will perpetuate Turkey's occupation...I give you too much credit by expecting you to appreciate this point...Annihilation is too good for the likes of you...You should be left to slowly drown in your hateful vomit....V-e-r-y s-l-o-w-ly... :twisted:

But of course, the TCs who you extol as angels that deserve special privileges, are nothing like the image you currently portray.

Some things never change! The threat from Turkey, which you casually employ above, has always been used against us by TCs, to enforce their ill-gotten and unfair gains, throughout their history on our island. This threat and actuality is how you keep us enslaved and discriminated against, within our own country. This occupation and racism against the GCs, currently evident, is a continuation of how we have always been treated by Turk-TCs. The stolen properties are analogous to the unfair privileges you had to rule us with.

We "provoke" by merely existing ....

This is the third time I am asking you: what gains have I made,unfair or illgotten??? I have lost my country first to the fanatical GCs and now to the fanatical Turks...Where are my gains??? You still have 65% of Cyprus to call home...I have NO place I can call home...My family has left hundreds of donums of land and at least 6 houses in the south which have been torn down by intend or neglect...Where are my gains over your loss????

[boomerang]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

[BirKibrisli]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

[YFred]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

[Me Ed]

The problem with too many people on this forum is that they dwell on the past as opposed to learning from it.

As a GC I fully accept that mistakes, actrocities and self-interest were comitted by both sides.

However, the RoC has learned from the past and eliminated Greece from its affairs is now an EU member in its own right and has far to much too lose is starting another conflict.

I do not know of any GC that has ever supported or advocated enosis with Greece.

The question is are the TCs ready to stand along side the GCs and govern this island?

Are they ready to make and accept the often tough and unpopular decision that are sometimes needed when governing a nation?

TCs must accept that the GC cannot be allowed to feel threatened by a large Turkish force when they need to make unpopular decisions because that is no way to govern a country. .

[BirKibrisli]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

Bir, she is not suffering from trauma at all. She is just a total fascist. And so are the rest of her gang.

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt,YFred...
If she was old enough to remember the bombing in 64,she is probably sufering from PTSD...She certainly displays most of the symptoms...Black and white thinking,over generalisation,fortune telling and mind reading,catastrophising,labelling,over sensitivitiy to criticism,these are some of the cognitive distortions associated with PTSD...She has all of them...

[BirKibrisli]

The problem with too many people on this forum is that they dwell on the past as opposed to learning from it.

As a GC I fully accept that mistakes, actrocities and self-interest were comitted by both sides.

However, the RoC has learned from the past and eliminated Greece from its affairs is now an EU member in its own right and has far to much too lose is starting another conflict.

I do not know of any GC that has ever supported or advocated enosis with Greece.

The question is are the TCs ready to stand along side the GCs and govern this island?

Are they ready to make and accept the often tough and unpopular decision that are sometimes needed when governing a nation?

TCs must accept that the GC cannot be allowed to feel threatened by a large Turkish force when they need to make unpopular decisions because that is no way to govern a country. .

I don't want to dwell on the past,Ed...I just want both sides to acknowledge their mistakes,appologise to each other,and show enough empathy and compassion to prepare the ground for reunification...When I am told "you are exaggerating to justify your gains on our loss" and I have lost everything and gained nothing in this bloody conflict,my back gets up...We have lost 50 years bickering and accusing each other of terrible deeds and denying our part in it,while we should have been trying to come to terms with the past,foster understanding and trust,so that people would be willing to live together again...We have proven to be as stubborn as our infamous donkeys...Now we are ripping the results...

[boomerang]

bir you continously advocate the traumatization of the tcs...has it enter your mind that gcs were traumatized?...oracle has explain how it was like when it was raining napalm bombs...you do not think as a young child this would have a long lasting effect?...

same with the all wars...not unique to Cyprus...I also explained to you the germans and the jews...you dismissed it as the cyprob was different...in all honesty. i do not see how, when an attrocity is an attrocity...the point I was making even in the case of persecution of the jews, 6 million people perished, its behind us today...why?...democracy, human rights and the rule of law...

This is why I advocate a plan nased on democracy, human rights and rule of law just so the problem is fixed once and for...you on the hand advocate a plan that will address the tc concerns...

I asked this question of you before, and bever really got an answer, you think the majority of gcs will ever accept turkey, or anyone esle for a matter of fact, having a foothold on cyprus, when 1 out of 2 gcs has been greatly affected?...no way...this is the reality...

Boomers,
I never said GCs were not traumatised...Time and time again I acknowledged their pain and suffering and I have even appologised for it...But all I get back from the likes of Oracle are insults and denials of my pain and suffering...I was old enough to remember from 55 onwards in Cyprus,so what do you think I went through during that time..Picnic on the beach???I didn't even learn how to swim in Cyprus because as TCs we were too scared to go to the beach anywhere on the island between 1955 and 74...That is my reality...You know something,Boomers??? Psychologists keep saying this : what does more damage than the child abuse is if the child is not believed when she/he finally reports the abuse...
That is the deciding factor in how traumatic that child's life will be...

I can answer your question with another question,do you seriously expect the TCs to agree to Turkey's unconditional withdrawal when almost ALL of them have been affected/traumatised greatly by the bloody conflict going back to early 50s??? No way,and that is the TCs reality...

on your last point, again avoiding to answer what I asked you...here it is again...how do you expect the gcs to accept turkey or anyone else for that fact having a foothold on cyprus, when twice as many gcs suffered than tcs...and now you wanna force the tcs to accept turkey...

further more bir you avoided answering, regarding the attrocities of WW2 and the sufferings of the jews at the hands of the germans...the jews suffered...the german people put the the tragic events behind them, the only way possible...the jews of today feel at ease because democracy, human rights and the rule of law allowed them...

judging by what you are telling me is that the tcs are st stuck in a time warp...unable to see how the world has evolved around them...thats a fact bir...

bir if every nationality around the world had the mentality of the tcs, the world would have been a very unfriendly ...i am sure you can conside the attrocitoes the tcs and gcs suffered are miniscule comparing to other attrocities and genocides...the question is bir how did these people put it behind them and moved on...this is the part that needs answering...

[vaughanwilliams]

I'd say the Bargaining part will soon be over, hopefully the path to Acceptance and Hope will not take too long.

The "bargaining" so far has only been done by the EU. What makes you think they are not stringing Turkey along until a few certainties are in place? For example, there is a hasty march on unifying the EU, further, with its own army, now we have a President, and then the "bargaining" will be over for Turkey as they face the EU Military-Might if they don't withdraw from EU territory! That is the future for Turkey ... (Enjoy the hope and possibility of something better, whilst you can, but you are in no position for calling any shots).

If you had any hope of an EU "Army" ever becoming anything effective inside or outside the EU then you need to think again. One only needs to look at Afghanistan to see that EU countries cannot even agree on a common strategy and its willingness to commit troops when needed is, at best, not to be banked on. Don't forget, any EU army will only be made up from existing troops already serving in NATO and the UN, neither of which organizations can be said to be totally effective.