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Misjudgement of EU's Acceptance of Turkey Sinks Leverage

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Postby Oracle » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:56 pm

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BirKibrisli wrote: ... They were young TC students studying in Turkey,given a 3 week crash course in handling weapons and deposited in the kokkina area....


If you don't think that was long enough to do you justice in their attempted invasion of Cyprus, take it up with Turkey! But "students" they were NOT, by any stretch of credibility, when they attacked Cyprus. So, stop trying to excuse Turkey's belligerence.

However, their poor training techniques may go some way to explaining your troops general inability to follow Geneva conventions and instead go with their bloodthirsty preference for shooting of POWs, raping anyone weaker and mass slaughter of everyone else in their path.



Again,you are picking a sentence from here and there to launch your endless tirades against your "enemy"...

They were young TC students studying in Turkey,given a 3 week crash course in handling weapons and deposited in the kokkina area,God knows for what reason...(My belief is that Inonu who was then PM wanted them off the streets as they were protesting daily about their families being in danger of being massacred by the GCs)...3 of them were my first cousins...Another one is now my brother -in-law...The Uncle of Ozdil Nami,Talat's present chief negotiator (also called Ozdil Nami) died there...They are our family friends....You are in total denial of the facts because you do not want to even consider that the GCs could ahve possibly done anything wrong in this conflict..it doesnt fit in with your sick mind's narrative...

Where did I say to you that I was ill???When did I ask your forgiveness???
You are really deluded,past the point of any help...I feel sorry for you...But I can't help you unless you want to be helped...I repeat,letting off steam on this Forum is no substitute for professional therapy...Do yourself and us a favour,get some soon....



Now please go back and digest what I said...
They were students studying in various Turkish cities...when the troubles began they started agitating,making protests in the streets,to get Turkey to intervine and save their families from what they thought was an imminent GC slaughter...You can call them soldiers if that suits your purpose...As far as I am concerned,and I know at least 6 of them personally,and Deniz knows some of them too,they were hapless students deposited in the most isolated area of Cyprus for no known reason or motive...They were quickly surrounded by the GC militia,and were in no position to do any harm to anyone...There was no need for the all out assault to wipe them out....The only reason they were attacked was they were TCs, and because the GCs believed they could capture and kill them all before Turkey had a chance to intervene....Your mind would of course refuse to accept this...I dont know why i keep trying to shed some light into it... :?


Bir, I know you're fairer than that. :?

Why not mention that Kokkina was the primary arms entry post from Turkey for the TMT?


Because we were not talking about arms smuggling,DT...
That is an entirely different matter...If the intention was to smuggle arms,they wouldn't have deposited those poor student-soldiers (there I made a concession for you :wink: ) and draw the entire GC militia to that area...
Now you tell me,if you thought you were in immediate danger of being massacred by a far superior militia both in numbers and weapons,would you not try to arm yourself as best you can???

I understand that the GCs needed to make sure these people did not go far...But why did they have to attack them in order to annihilate them???
And why deny the link between the GC attack on kokkina and the Turkish napalms????
this is what gets my back up with Oracle...She is sooo selective about what she sees let alone admits....Her bias and prejudice and distain for the Turks-Tcs know no bounds...This is no way to start a dialogue which might lead to mutual understanding,trust and respect...It shuts all the doors before anything has a chance to develop...And that makes me suspect her motives and those of Piratis,as he too keep on selectively reciting all the Turkish-TC wrongs...They must realise this will lead to an impass and not a solution...But they keep doing it..So what am I to assume???


On the contrary, you supported the use of Napalm on GCs, geographically at a great distance form this site of Turkish arms smuggling, by calling the Turkish soldiers poor "students".

In your attempts to claim Turkey had a right to introduce arms for the TMT, and complain that the Turkish soldiers should have been better trained for their own sakes, and meanwhile Turkey to Napalm and bomb GC villages to protect its invading soldiers .... you have managed to remind everyone how ingrained is Turkish nationalism for even the most (self-appointed) "benign" TC.


No comment... :lol: :lol:


If you think that equates with some coup which was resisted by the majority of GCs, and harmed NO TCs ... you are seriously misguided in your agenda to justify Turkey's actions of Napalming GCs to partition and ethnically cleanse half of Cyprus.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:30 pm

Oracle wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
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BirKibrisli wrote: ... They were young TC students studying in Turkey,given a 3 week crash course in handling weapons and deposited in the kokkina area....


If you don't think that was long enough to do you justice in their attempted invasion of Cyprus, take it up with Turkey! But "students" they were NOT, by any stretch of credibility, when they attacked Cyprus. So, stop trying to excuse Turkey's belligerence.

However, their poor training techniques may go some way to explaining your troops general inability to follow Geneva conventions and instead go with their bloodthirsty preference for shooting of POWs, raping anyone weaker and mass slaughter of everyone else in their path.



Again,you are picking a sentence from here and there to launch your endless tirades against your "enemy"...


That was rather a significant sentence. Short and "sweet". Therein lay the reason why you cannot brand those soldiers as "students". It should have signified the end of the discussion as it pointed out your fallacious thinking and euphemistic excuses in support of Turkey's actions. But you are now trying to wriggle your way out.


I take it now you have dropped the pretence that the invaders were "students".

Perhaps we can now, similarly, extrapolate the same arguments to derive the conclusion that the Turkish invaders in 1974 were not here on a "Peace mission" or "Intervention"!
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Postby Expatkiwi » Wed Jan 06, 2010 5:45 pm

Oracle wrote:Perhaps we can now, similarly, extrapolate the same arguments to derive the conclusion that the Turkish invaders in 1974 were not here on a "Peace mission" or "Intervention"!


But they were on a "piece mission", Oracle. The Turkish military went to to secure a large "piece" of the island for the Turkish Cypriots... :)
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Postby Expatkiwi » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:12 pm

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Go back to fucking sheep idiot!


I thought you of all people would appreciate the pun, Pathitis... :(
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Postby Oracle » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:21 pm

Save your poor puns for the Huns! You are no fun. Our work with you is not done till I can pelt you with buns from an automatic gun! :evil:
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:24 pm

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Go back to fucking sheep idiot!


I thought you of all people would appreciate the pun, Pathitis... :(


Let the cat out of the bag!

You're definitely a Turk sheep fucker!
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Postby Tim Drayton » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:29 pm

Oracle wrote:Save your poor puns for the Huns! You are no fun. Our work with you is not done till I can pelt you with buns from an automatic gun! :evil:


Er ... that is rhyming, not punning, actually.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:33 pm

Tim Drayton wrote:
Oracle wrote:Save your poor puns for the Huns! You are no fun. Our work with you is not done till I can pelt you with buns from an automatic gun! :evil:


Er ... that is rhyming, not punning, actually.


I know that. It was a rhyme poking fun on his attempt at a "pun" :roll:
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Postby Malapapa » Wed Jan 06, 2010 6:35 pm

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Oracle wrote:Perhaps we can now, similarly, extrapolate the same arguments to derive the conclusion that the Turkish invaders in 1974 were not here on a "Peace mission" or "Intervention"!


But they were on a "piece mission", Oracle. The Turkish military went to to secure a large "piece" of the island for the Turkish Cypriots... :)


We can see why Turkey's military might want to snatch permanently a piece of the island from its rightful owners, the long-suffering people there, for perceived geo-strategic reasons. We can see why they used the Turkish Cypriot minority on the island as a convenient excuse to do so, isolating them from the entire world and causing them even more suffering.

But what's your reason for supporting this ruthless, cynical expropriation of land by an aggressive expansionist foreign military, at the expense of the very people it was meant, supposedly, to help?
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Postby Expatkiwi » Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:17 am

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But what's your reason for supporting this ruthless, cynical expropriation of land by an aggressive expansionist foreign military, at the expense of the very people it was meant, supposedly, to help?


As far as I'm personally concerned, Malapapa, the jury is still out on Turkey's ulterior motives. Whenever someone does anything, there is usually an obsensive reson, and a cynical reason. The obstensive reason was to ensure that the Turkish Cypriots would never feel under threat again by Greek Cypriot nationalism, but the cynical reason.... well...

As I said earlier, I support the TC's effort for national self-determination without the undue influence of any nation. The partnership republic did not and could not work, so the partition option seems to be the best NON-ANNEXIONIST option there is. QED.
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