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[Acikgoz]

I am open to ideas, tell me how it plays out when EU has no leverage over Turkey going forward - and pls none of the nonsense that the evil Orifice insists on blabbing about. There will be no more war as that will make 1974 look like a bun fight and I don't think anyone wants that.

[paliometoxo]

just remember BOTH sides have to vote YES no one is going to force anything in anyones favour... yes that means no recognition without gcs saying YES and no re unification without TCS saying yes...

you really think the eu and any other country will force it either way? in favour of either side? if anything when you idiots get your new leader and he makes a fool out of you all and abandones talks everyone will see the tcs unwillingness to do anything and that wont be very good... firstly if eu still dont force it when ur leader makes fools of you all then staying how it is now is more costly for turkey they wont be able to keep the trnc up forever and looking to the west.. well if turky thought it would do any good they would of done it YEARS ago

[paliometoxo]

I am open to ideas, tell me how it plays out when EU has no leverage over Turkey going forward - and pls none of the nonsense that the evil Orifice insists on blabbing about. There will be no more war as that will make 1974 look like a bun fight and I don't think anyone wants that.

it wouldent be much of a war 27 countries against turkey... it would be suicide for turkey...

dont get me wrong i really dont hope for war its the last thinjg i want.. infact the tcs that dont talk partition and like toast vp and the rest who scream hatred i like the good tcs who are for living together..

im just pointing out it would be lose lose for turkey going into war again.. no one wants war again..

[Me Ed]

You suggested clarification on possession being 9/10ths. Sorry if I offended you, perhaps you are too big a greek person to accept any thoughts from a Turkish Cypriot, heavens forbid.

Acikgoz, that really was not my intention, I just wanted to point out that this 9/10ths notion is not applicable here and Europes highest court proved this.

I hope one day all Cypriots can live together in peace in a united Cyprus.

[Me Ed]

I am open to ideas, tell me how it plays out when EU has no leverage over Turkey going forward - and pls none of the nonsense that the evil Orifice insists on blabbing about. There will be no more war as that will make 1974 look like a bun fight and I don't think anyone wants that.

I think this notion of leverage is a red-herring, I believe Turkey could join the EU in a couple of years if they really wanted to.

The RoC has not got a lot to gain economically by Turkey normalising relations with the RoC, although it might upset a few TCs.

[Acikgoz]

"Given both sides are unwilling to exchange their unjust gains for just rights then we end up with the situation where each has what they hold." I said earlier.

Note I as a TC willingly accept there are rights that have been usurped of GCs, HOWEVER, the lack of equal admitance by GCs leaves a situation that can never be resolved by unification given that TCs know GCs too have violated rights of TCs. It is philosophically different to saying two wrongs make a right, it is that by showing understanding for the wrongs that have been committed then progress can be made.

What good is there of being married if you don't trust each other? Why live together if you have to suffer the lies and indignities that are part of that relationship?

I don't advocate partition for the sake of not being willing to live side by side with GCs, it is that Cyprus is not a utopia and will not be in my lifetime, and therefore I cannot trust GCs to treat me as an equal to them.

Also any talk of war should be purged from this forum. Palio, it can be read as a goading your comment that 27 countries against Turkey - it would be suicide for Turkey. Rephrase that infront of any nationalist from any country and that is an insightment for war. I would have thought all Cypriots would at least have this one common view that no more blood should be shed for the sake of PEACE on Cyprus.

[Acikgoz]

Ed, I hear you but just don't see it as likely anymore. Personally Turkey in the EU would have circumvented many of the concerns TCs have of the type of solution. I think GCs have been used by certain EU countries.

[Me Ed]

Ed, I hear you but just don't see it as likely anymore. Personally Turkey in the EU would have circumvented many of the concerns TCs have of the type of solution. I think GCs have been used by certain EU countries.

I agree with you that many EU countries are using the GC as an excuse, but it is soley down to Turkey to remove these obsticles.

I believe that Turkey normalising relations with the RoC and the EU, say allowing direct flights to the occupied areas would be a positive step in the right direction.

[Expatkiwi]

I believe that Turkey normalising relations with the RoC and the EU, say allowing direct flights to the occupied areas would be a positive step in the right direction.

But remember what happened with the promised EU aid to the TRNC, and the direct trad regulation? 'Technical issues' from RoCy put a stop to it. They'll also put 'technical issues' in the way of allowing direct flights to Ercan... (rousy gleek cypliot plicks)...

[Get Real!]

You people remind me of someone running around in a round room looking for a corner to piss in …but you can run around until the cows come home because you’ll never find a corner!