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[miltiades]

Visited an old mate's pub last night right opposite the sea ,in Limassol , as I walked in through the large open doors it hit me right up the nostrils . Tobacco fumes ! Half a dozen English ex-pats having a good old laugh , four men and two women sat at the end of the bar facing the sea , a drink in one hand and a smelly fag in the other , went up to the bar , Paul spotted me and welcomed me in , known him since 1979 and last saw him a month ago .
I gently remarked about the oncoming smoke ban and asked for his view , No good for business he hasten to add. Drinkers he went on to say , have a drink and a cigarette , cant have it any other way. Well I replied , give me a bottle of red a proper glass and I will show you how one drinker can enjoy the wine without interference on the taste buds from tar.
Further in the pub another four Brits , 2 middle- elder age couples , the two women sounded when talking - they never stopped -as if they had swallowed a frog , having a drink and a fag , interrupted occasionally by a chesty craw like cough .One of the ladies who did most of the talking and coughing , sounded Welsh , almost dropped her teeth in her G&T as she coughed , quickly shoving them back in their rightful place with a flair only mastered by ladies of the night brigade !!

A known to me Cypriot came up to me and wished me hronia polla , apse napsoume koumbare he said !!!

Finished my wine and headed home by taxi I may add, showered to get rid of the stale tobacco on my cloths , had my 6 hours compulsory sleep and I'm now preparing to visit Cyprus's one and only Stroumbi The Great in the capital of Cyprus Paphos the legendary birthplace of Aphrodite amongst many great Cypriots not least my dear friend Birkibrisly born a stones throw from where I was born.

Sounds like your mate's pub was full of smokers!

I wonder where they will go when the smoking ban comes into force...?

I was arguing with some friends yesterday about the smoking ban (they are visiting from the UK). I argued that there should be freedom of choice - that owners of bars and restaurants should be able to choose if they are smoking or non-smoking.

In that way, both smokers and non-smokers would have the freedom to choose if they frequented an establishment which allowed or banned smoking...

One of the friends said - "but what if the smoking restaurant was really nice? It wouldn't be fair that I couldn't go in there"

Hand >>> face.

Sorry mate , your argument is a non starter.
Smokers should seriously consider the immense damage that they inflict on themselves and the cost of treatment for the huge number of smoke related deceases . Children , men and women have the undeniable right NOT to breath in the disgusting tobacco smell just because drug addicts "enjoy" this third world Bangladeshi habit.

[cyprusgrump]

Visited an old mate's pub last night right opposite the sea ,in Limassol , as I walked in through the large open doors it hit me right up the nostrils . Tobacco fumes ! Half a dozen English ex-pats having a good old laugh , four men and two women sat at the end of the bar facing the sea , a drink in one hand and a smelly fag in the other , went up to the bar , Paul spotted me and welcomed me in , known him since 1979 and last saw him a month ago .
I gently remarked about the oncoming smoke ban and asked for his view , No good for business he hasten to add. Drinkers he went on to say , have a drink and a cigarette , cant have it any other way. Well I replied , give me a bottle of red a proper glass and I will show you how one drinker can enjoy the wine without interference on the taste buds from tar.
Further in the pub another four Brits , 2 middle- elder age couples , the two women sounded when talking - they never stopped -as if they had swallowed a frog , having a drink and a fag , interrupted occasionally by a chesty craw like cough .One of the ladies who did most of the talking and coughing , sounded Welsh , almost dropped her teeth in her G&T as she coughed , quickly shoving them back in their rightful place with a flair only mastered by ladies of the night brigade !!

A known to me Cypriot came up to me and wished me hronia polla , apse napsoume koumbare he said !!!

Finished my wine and headed home by taxi I may add, showered to get rid of the stale tobacco on my cloths , had my 6 hours compulsory sleep and I'm now preparing to visit Cyprus's one and only Stroumbi The Great in the capital of Cyprus Paphos the legendary birthplace of Aphrodite amongst many great Cypriots not least my dear friend Birkibrisly born a stones throw from where I was born.

Sounds like your mate's pub was full of smokers!

I wonder where they will go when the smoking ban comes into force...?

I was arguing with some friends yesterday about the smoking ban (they are visiting from the UK). I argued that there should be freedom of choice - that owners of bars and restaurants should be able to choose if they are smoking or non-smoking.

In that way, both smokers and non-smokers would have the freedom to choose if they frequented an establishment which allowed or banned smoking...

One of the friends said - "but what if the smoking restaurant was really nice? It wouldn't be fair that I couldn't go in there"

Hand >>> face.

Sorry mate , your argument is a non starter.
Smokers should seriously consider the immense damage that they inflict on themselves and the cost of treatment for the huge number of smoke related deceases . Children , men and women have the undeniable right NOT to breath in the disgusting tobacco smell just because drug addicts "enjoy" this third world Bangladeshi habit.

I agree that you have the right not to inhale smoke...

But smokers also have the right to enjoy their 'habit' or 'hobby' (read the article I posted earlier)...

Reasonable, democratic legislation would have given both the choice. As it is, smokers have no rights at all. And non-smokers are unlikely to keep your mate's business going - that is why 50 pubs a week are closing in the UK...

I thought we lived in a free country?

The reason I have a problem with all this (I don't smoke) is that drinkers will be next. Don't expect smokers to help us fight draconian alcohol control legislation in the future if we don't support them now.

[Z4]

There is no point what-so-ever discussing this with CyprusGrump!

[Toffee]

Z4, Milti and 1 or 2 others need to calm down and see the bigger picture. I dont always agree with Grump but he he makes a very valid argument (if you care to read the link he provided) you MAY get a view that you may not agree with BUT it does allow other people to live their lives the way THEY choose. If you dont like the smoke - avoid it -if I smoke how do I avoid you???
Love & Best Wishes for a smokey New Year,

Brian

[cyprusgrump]

There is no point what-so-ever discussing this with CyprusGrump!

No, there is no point discussing anything with you - you respond to reasoned and intelligent discussion with "No" or "I didn't bovver reading it"...

I'm happy for you and your small minded biggoted views actually - I don't expect debate or any intelligent response from you apart from "I don't like it, ipso facto it should be banned"...

Remember tho how we laughed when motorcyclists were forced to wear crash helmets. How we said 'they deserve it' when fat people were denied hospital treatment. How we pointed and sniggered at smokers standing out in the rain...

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

One day you'll post on here complaining that your pint of Stella is too expensive due to some arbitrary 'price per unit' taxing. or your favourite pub or restaurant has closed. Or you've been denied a pint of Stella because you have exceeded your 'safe' limit.

When that day comes, I'll be using this emoticon a lot! >>>

Oh, and saying "I told you so!"

[paliometoxo]

There is no point what-so-ever discussing this with CyprusGrump!

i got fifa 2010 but i cant play it because my ps3 is in cyprus lol but i challenge you to a game when i get back ;p

[cyprusgrump]

Z4, Milti and 1 or 2 others need to calm down and see the bigger picture. I dont always agree with Grump but he he makes a very valid argument (if you care to read the link he provided) you MAY get a view that you may not agree with BUT it does allow other people to live their lives the way THEY choose. If you dont like the smoke - avoid it -if I smoke how do I avoid you???
Love & Best Wishes for a smokey New Year,

Brian

Thanks Brian...

Fancy a beer some day?

[FragnaticDeath]

Cyprusgrump how many times did you watch the movie Demolition Man?

[kafenes]

There is no point what-so-ever discussing this with CyprusGrump!

No, there is no point discussing anything with you - you respond to reasoned and intelligent discussion with "No" or "I didn't bovver reading it"...

I'm happy for you and your small minded biggoted views actually - I don't expect debate or any intelligent response from you apart from "I don't like it, ipso facto it should be banned"...

Remember tho how we laughed when motorcyclists were forced to wear crash helmets. How we said 'they deserve it' when fat people were denied hospital treatment. How we pointed and sniggered at smokers standing out in the rain...

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

One day you'll post on here complaining that your pint of Stella is too expensive due to some arbitrary 'price per unit' taxing. or your favourite pub or restaurant has closed. Or you've been denied a pint of Stella because you have exceeded your 'safe' limit.

When that day comes, I'll be using this emoticon a lot! >>>

Oh, and saying "I told you so!"

Absolutely Agree with CG on everything he says. Why couldn't there be a smokers bar & restaurant so non smokers can choose whether to go there or not, and a non smokers venues where smoking is not allowed.

[cyprusgrump]

There is no point what-so-ever discussing this with CyprusGrump!

No, there is no point discussing anything with you - you respond to reasoned and intelligent discussion with "No" or "I didn't bovver reading it"...

I'm happy for you and your small minded biggoted views actually - I don't expect debate or any intelligent response from you apart from "I don't like it, ipso facto it should be banned"...

Remember tho how we laughed when motorcyclists were forced to wear crash helmets. How we said 'they deserve it' when fat people were denied hospital treatment. How we pointed and sniggered at smokers standing out in the rain...

First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.

Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.

And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

One day you'll post on here complaining that your pint of Stella is too expensive due to some arbitrary 'price per unit' taxing. or your favourite pub or restaurant has closed. Or you've been denied a pint of Stella because you have exceeded your 'safe' limit.

When that day comes, I'll be using this emoticon a lot! >>>

Oh, and saying "I told you so!"

Absolutely Agree with CG on everything he says. Why couldn't there be a smokers bar & restaurant so non smokers can choose whether to go there or not, and a non smokers venues where smoking is not allowed.

Absolutely!

It is a stupid law which has enraged a sizeable minority (smokers) in the UK plus enlightened people like myself...

The solution you propose would have been simple to implement and completely fair.

It will end in tears...