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Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:13 pm

FragnaticDeath wrote:So you guys wouldn't mind if I bought a few mosquitos sprays and come next to you and your children and spray it every 5 minutes. It's fine :D



The point is that what you were doing would be legal.

Having a smoke in a pub, or even trying to open a smoking club is illegal.

Even though there is no evidence whatsoever that smoking is more dangerous to your health than spraying 'mosquitos sprays' [sic] would be to mine.

Get it now? :roll:
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Postby cyprusgrump » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:17 pm

Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:As smokers will not be allowed to smoke in bars, cafes and restaurants, their clientele will drop down significantly and in turn to make ends meet they will have to close or put prices up. So don't complain when an espresso will cost more then 3.50 euro and a pint of beer 5+ euro.


Thank you kafenes. At last someone who has an IQ of more than 2!

If they put the prices up any more no-one will enter their business. They could tempt us in - so why don't they offer us some great deals or offers??

Maybe they will see more and more non smokers coming out and eating/drinking.

Isn't about time that non smokers had the right to eat/drink smoke free?

Another one, supermarkets offer cheap booze. Why pay 3 Euros for a beer in a bar when they cost 1 Euro in the Supermarket?


Perhaps you could explain: -

1) Why 50 pubs per week are closing in the UK since the smoking ban was introduced?

2) If you support the same people that introduced the smoking ban introducing a minimum price per unit of alcohol?

3) Why non smokers have the right to eat/drink smoke free but smokers do not?
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Postby Z4 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:29 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:As smokers will not be allowed to smoke in bars, cafes and restaurants, their clientele will drop down significantly and in turn to make ends meet they will have to close or put prices up. So don't complain when an espresso will cost more then 3.50 euro and a pint of beer 5+ euro.


Thank you kafenes. At last someone who has an IQ of more than 2!

If they put the prices up any more no-one will enter their business. They could tempt us in - so why don't they offer us some great deals or offers??

Maybe they will see more and more non smokers coming out and eating/drinking.

Isn't about time that non smokers had the right to eat/drink smoke free?

Another one, supermarkets offer cheap booze. Why pay 3 Euros for a beer in a bar when they cost 1 Euro in the Supermarket?


Perhaps you could explain: -

1) Why 50 pubs per week are closing in the UK since the smoking ban was introduced?

2) If you support the same people that introduced the smoking ban introducing a minimum price per unit of alcohol?

3) Why non smokers have the right to eat/drink smoke free but smokers do not?


1) Lots of reasons that I have explained time and time again but for the benefit of new members.........supermarkets offering better deals is one of them. Maybe, just maybe, the smoke thing hasn't helped but it is certainly not the one reason.

2) Don't understand the question could you re-type please

3) Why do smokers have the right to poison non smokers?
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Postby kafenes » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:05 pm

Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:As smokers will not be allowed to smoke in bars, cafes and restaurants, their clientele will drop down significantly and in turn to make ends meet they will have to close or put prices up. So don't complain when an espresso will cost more then 3.50 euro and a pint of beer 5+ euro.


Thank you kafenes. At last someone who has an IQ of more than 2!

If they put the prices up any more no-one will enter their business. They could tempt us in - so why don't they offer us some great deals or offers??

Maybe they will see more and more non smokers coming out and eating/drinking.

Isn't about time that non smokers had the right to eat/drink smoke free?

Another one, supermarkets offer cheap booze. Why pay 3 Euros for a beer in a bar when they cost 1 Euro in the Supermarket?


Perhaps you could explain: -

1) Why 50 pubs per week are closing in the UK since the smoking ban was introduced?

2) If you support the same people that introduced the smoking ban introducing a minimum price per unit of alcohol?

3) Why non smokers have the right to eat/drink smoke free but smokers do not?


1) Lots of reasons that I have explained time and time again but for the benefit of new members.........supermarkets offering better deals is one of them. Maybe, just maybe, the smoke thing hasn't helped but it is certainly not the one reason.

2) Don't understand the question could you re-type please

3) Why do smokers have the right to poison non smokers?


We are talking about smoking and non smoking establishments. If you don't want to be 'poisoned' by smokers you are most welcome to go to a non smoking restaurant. It's simple as that.
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Postby Z4 » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:20 pm

But kafenes...........what if I don't like whats on the menu?
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Dec 30, 2009 11:56 pm

Z4 wrote:But kafenes...........what if I don't like whats on the menu?



YOU SHALL DIE of starvation or Nicotine poisoning..simple as that :roll:
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Postby FragnaticDeath » Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:16 am

Lol restaurants here where I am have rooms for non-smoking and smoking. And trust me the rooms for smoking are always occupied first.

The thing guys you cant have both. It's either smoke indoors or you don't smoke. Both doesn't work.

For example if they were 2 restaurants next to each other and 1 allowed smoking and the other one didn't, well the one that allows smoking will have the most busness.

Anyway I can live with both sides, I just wanted to point to smokers that smoking around non-smokers is not nice and at all and you should respect and take into consideration how they feel about it. That's all
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Postby miltiades » Thu Dec 31, 2009 7:50 am

Toffee wrote:Z4, Milti and 1 or 2 others need to calm down and see the bigger picture. I dont always agree with Grump but he he makes a very valid argument (if you care to read the link he provided) you MAY get a view that you may not agree with BUT it does allow other people to live their lives the way THEY choose. If you dont like the smoke - avoid it -if I smoke how do I avoid you???
Love & Best Wishes for a smokey New Year,

Brian

Worldwide smoking has been recognized as an unhealthy unsocial habit that directly interferes with the right of the non addicts to enjoy breathing in air without having to inhale tobacco smell.
Worldwide that is apart from third world countries .
Cyprus is NOT a third world country , that is why it has recognized the damage that this nasty smell act does not only to addicts but also to passive sufferers.
Some think that the reason pubs in the UK are closing down is purely because of the ban on smoking ignoring the fact that many other industries where the ban on smoking has no relevance whatsoever are also pulling down shutters , the recession has inflicted great pain to all businesses .
There is not an argument for continuing with the present dated and "thirdwordish" habit.
Cypriot and others must realize that their unhealthy smelly habit can not continue to be effecting those around them. Some say smoking now alcohol next !!! I drink every single day of the year a bottle of wine , on Sundays and when I'm feeling unwell two bottles. Neither those around me get intoxicated and neither does anyone has ever suffered from the effects of sitting next to someone who is having a glass of wine.I do of course realize that there are irresponsible drinkers and there are also those that drink themselves stupid , can not hold their drink and become abusive and in many cases violent , mostly the young Brit who goes out on a Saturday night with one purpose only , to get sloshed.
Finally , yesterday I was up in Theletra Paphos .My self and my brother had a coffee in the local kafenio , out of 11 people excluding my self and brother only 3 were smoking. I asked them directly how the ban would affect them, no problem they replied 9 months in the year we sit outside .
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Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:52 am

Z4 wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
Z4 wrote:
kafenes wrote:As smokers will not be allowed to smoke in bars, cafes and restaurants, their clientele will drop down significantly and in turn to make ends meet they will have to close or put prices up. So don't complain when an espresso will cost more then 3.50 euro and a pint of beer 5+ euro.


Thank you kafenes. At last someone who has an IQ of more than 2!

If they put the prices up any more no-one will enter their business. They could tempt us in - so why don't they offer us some great deals or offers??

Maybe they will see more and more non smokers coming out and eating/drinking.

Isn't about time that non smokers had the right to eat/drink smoke free?

Another one, supermarkets offer cheap booze. Why pay 3 Euros for a beer in a bar when they cost 1 Euro in the Supermarket?


Perhaps you could explain: -

1) Why 50 pubs per week are closing in the UK since the smoking ban was introduced?

2) If you support the same people that introduced the smoking ban introducing a minimum price per unit of alcohol?

3) Why non smokers have the right to eat/drink smoke free but smokers do not?


1) Lots of reasons that I have explained time and time again but for the benefit of new members.........supermarkets offering better deals is one of them. Maybe, just maybe, the smoke thing hasn't helped but it is certainly not the one reason.

2) Don't understand the question could you re-type please

3) Why do smokers have the right to poison non smokers?


1) Supermarkets have always offered cheaper booze than pubs - and special deals. Nothing has changed on that front and the statistics (that I have linked here before) clearly show a marked acceleration of pubs closing from 9 a week to 50 a week that coincides with the smoking ban.

2) As I have pointed out before - the same tactics that have been used to 'denormalise' smoking are now being used on booze. One of the things 'they' want to do is introduce minimum pricing for each alcohol unit. What this means in simple terms is that you wouldn't (as you claim) simply be able to replace your pub habit by buying cheap booze at the supermarket. Supporting the smoking ban simply supports other restrictions on your liberty.

3) Nobody on this board has argued that smokers have the right to 'poison' non smokers. Answer my question - Why do non smokers have the right to eat/drink smoke free but smokers do not have the right to eat/drink with a smoke?
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Postby cyprusgrump » Thu Dec 31, 2009 10:10 am

miltiades wrote:
Toffee wrote:Z4, Milti and 1 or 2 others need to calm down and see the bigger picture. I dont always agree with Grump but he he makes a very valid argument (if you care to read the link he provided) you MAY get a view that you may not agree with BUT it does allow other people to live their lives the way THEY choose. If you dont like the smoke - avoid it -if I smoke how do I avoid you???
Love & Best Wishes for a smokey New Year,

Brian

Worldwide smoking has been recognized as an unhealthy unsocial habit that directly interferes with the right of the non addicts to enjoy breathing in air without having to inhale tobacco smell.
Worldwide that is apart from third world countries .
Cyprus is NOT a third world country , that is why it has recognized the damage that this nasty smell act does not only to addicts but also to passive sufferers.
Some think that the reason pubs in the UK are closing down is purely because of the ban on smoking ignoring the fact that many other industries where the ban on smoking has no relevance whatsoever are also pulling down shutters , the recession has inflicted great pain to all businesses .
There is not an argument for continuing with the present dated and "thirdwordish" habit.
Cypriot and others must realize that their unhealthy smelly habit can not continue to be effecting those around them. Some say smoking now alcohol next !!! I drink every single day of the year a bottle of wine , on Sundays and when I'm feeling unwell two bottles. Neither those around me get intoxicated and neither does anyone has ever suffered from the effects of sitting next to someone who is having a glass of wine.I do of course realize that there are irresponsible drinkers and there are also those that drink themselves stupid , can not hold their drink and become abusive and in many cases violent , mostly the young Brit who goes out on a Saturday night with one purpose only , to get sloshed.
Finally , yesterday I was up in Theletra Paphos .My self and my brother had a coffee in the local kafenio , out of 11 people excluding my self and brother only 3 were smoking. I asked them directly how the ban would affect them, no problem they replied 9 months in the year we sit outside .


Couple of things.

I have a friend that runs a restaurant in Pissouri - most of his customers are 'workers' who come for a coffee and a smoke, some lunchtime trade too. He is very worried about how the ban will affect him.

Secondly, reference alcohol. Across the EU the same tactics that were used to 'denormalise' smoking are being turned on alcohol. Even though laws are available to control 'antisocial behaviour', new draconian powers are being introduced to restrict drinking. Including drinking outside by the way and people enjoying a glass of wine with a picnic are being targeted.

Millions of Euros of our money are being spent on advertising and 'research' by government funded 'charities' to 'prove' that drinking is bad for you. Almost every day in the UK there is some new research announcement or government statement on booze.

Example. In the UK they have reduced the size of the 'unit', an arbitrary measurement of the strength of drinks so the statistics show we are suddenly all drinking more when in fact alcohol consumption is reducing.

Lastly, if you'd told a smoker five years ago that they'd be banned from bars and restaurants they would have thought you crazy! But is has happened - smokers sleep walked into the ban because they didn't believe it could ever happen.

We need to oppose the ban because drinkers like you and me are next on the list.
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