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[miltiades]

Expat, you are once again asking infantile questions that reflects your inferior knowledge of the Cyprus problems. Stop looking at things in a one dimensional way to try and find the reasons as to what happened in Cyprus so that you can make justifications to satisfy your own prejudice for wanting Cyprus permanently partitioned. If one partner in a marriage wants out of being married, one can use million ways to get out of that marriage, so please, don't say things like "Also, what did the TC's have to gain by leaving the government? ", specially when we have a partition today.? Can you not connect the dots.?? Please use some thinking before you write, because everything is not Black and White or what you may have been told by Denktash. It makes you look rather very silly and no doubt you invite a lot of abuse towards yourself from others.

R. Denktas had told me that "to see Cyprus in a black and white situation is really the only way to see it clearly. Shades of Grey convolute the real issue" - he continued to say - "which is that Turkish Cypriots were not welcome in Cyprus by Greek Cypriots and we deserve no less to live here. Anything else is immaterial". How can I argue with that, Kikapu?

Expat, slowly but surely you are heading down the toilet into the shit hole with what you write. You continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. You are relying on one source, a Fascist Dictator no less who is telling you what he wants you to believe, the Black and the White, and just like a mindless idiot would, you are believing everything you are being told. How on earth can anyone be objective in anything when they only hear both sides of the story from ONLY one source, Denktash.!

This was a part of a quote from you on another thread few days ago which you had apologized for being incorrect after you were challenged on it's accuracy.

"What had happened was that I was creating a wikipedia page regarding the TC's claim based on percentage of land they had owned pre-1963. I had a list of URL's given to me by some of my TC contacts. I looked up the first one, and it had quoted a 31% land figure. I put that figure up (without mentioning the URL or the source)."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=110

Tell us, Expat, were you not mislead by those TC contacts of yours when you believed what you were told on the TC land claim at 31%.? Now you are telling us, you believe what Denktash told you as the gospel truth, and you as a grown man believe everything being told to you by a person who has gained a lot of stolen GC land for himself and all his cronies. Are you one of his cronies or hope to become one just by becoming a "brown nose", Expat. You are unbelievable. I thought you told us you were intelligent, but now I'm really beginning to have doubts about that and put your intelligence along the same level as your ill informed knowledge of the Cyprus problems.

Sure there has been a lot of hate between the communities over the years, but if Denktash is telling you it was a one way hate only as he claims, then you have been taken for a sucker. Maybe you think there is a reward for you with some stolen GC land at some point in the future if permanent partition occurs, because that’s what you would like to see happen, along with Denktash, therefore you want to maintain your belief that what ever Denktash told/tells you, he is correct. Then you come up with the following gem in this thread.

Don't be stupid, Malapapa! In any case, at least Rauf Denktas has integrity. What's your claim to fame?

So you think Denktash has integrity just because he managed to partition the island half baked with all the help coming from Turkey. Are you always so impressed with Dictators, Expat, specially the ones who have a lot of blood on their hands, and I'm not talking about GC blood, but TC blood as well. You really a one sick man to think Denktash has integrity when he was the main reason why so many TCs suffered in enclaves to help bring Turkey onto the island, with the help from GC fanatics too of course. Because you think you have contact with a TC leader, you want to forget his past evil doings to the TCs who became become a Dictator for 3 decades where half the TC population left the island from 1974 till present, and in return, brought in the settlers to take their place to vote for him in rigged elections, just because he gave them free stolen GC properties for their loyalty. I'm just curious, Expat, were you also so flattered by Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and all the other dictators from the past. Do you think they too had integrity, because they too believed in what they were doing, right.? Are you happy that Hitler murdered 6 million human beings as a man of integrity.? He did after all meet his goal to kill as many Jews, Gypsies, Gays, and others as much as humanly possible. Were you too impressed by Hitler.?.

Expat, I was right about you all along, that you are a man who is morally corrupted and also lacks any integrity, and now I have serous doubts about your consciousness of your cavalier attitude towards all the victims in Cyprus, GCs and TCs in the hands of Racist Fascists like Denktash. The fact that you praise Denktash at every opportunity tells us a lot about yourself. Just for your information, Expat, the north will never be allowed to become an independent state because Turkey will never allow it, because it would mean the end of the road for Turkey's hope in becoming a EU member and I do not think the GCs will allow the north to become an independent state through the back door as a EU member with such a plan as the Annan Plan. You can support Denktash all you want, but in the end, what ever he may have promised you for your loyalty, you will not get it.!

An excellent post .

[Tim Drayton]

Expat; Are you around? Hallo!! Where is he?

Regarding the fates of A.Hikmet and M. Gurkan, is your claim of 'man of integrity' still valid?

I'd like to think so. Anyway, please refresh my memory so that I can properly answer you.

You mentioned integrity and I posted an article which included a paragraph on the deaths of a couple of journalists.Remember? You do not suffer from early symptoms of Alzheimers do you?

He is only interested in hearing what it suits him to hear.

[Jerry]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

[Tim Drayton]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Denktash employed a staff of people to write polished replies to such inquiries, which he then just signs.

[Malapapa]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Denktash employed a staff of people to write polished replies to such inquiries, which he then just signs.

No, I think he employs someone else to sign letters. The only thing he polishes off for himself is breakfast, lunch and dinner.

[YFred]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

Jerry, Denktash is not a trained lawyer. He has no law qualifications. He attended a Law School one year London which is as near as he got to being lawyer.
As to the independence possibility, let us worry about that. If there there is no peace agreement, then that will be one of the two choices TCs will have. Turkish Investment in the TRNC for Tourism will be sufficient to change the TRNC into a viable proposition. The only thing required is direct flights. People will not fly 8 hours when they can do the same journey in 4.

[Jerry]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

Jerry, Denktash is not a trained lawyer. He has no law qualifications. He attended a Law School one year London which is as near as he got to being lawyer.
As to the independence possibility, let us worry about that. If there there is no peace agreement, then that will be one of the two choices TCs will have. Turkish Investment in the TRNC for Tourism will be sufficient to change the TRNC into a viable proposition. The only thing required is direct flights. People will not fly 8 hours when they can do the same journey in 4.

Fred I was taught never to argue about disputed facts - look them up. If you care to "Google" "Rauf Denktash lawyer" you will find numerous references to the fact that he trained at Lincolns Inn and was called to the bar. He was employed by the colonial power as a prosecutor for 10 years and one report I read said that he was responsible for sending members of Eoka to the gallows.

If you know different perhaps you could direct me to a reliable source that says Denktash only trained for one year.

[Tim Drayton]

It is odd that the degrees he is listed as holding here:

http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/ ... nktash.htm

are all honourary degrees.

Was it possible to be a barrister in the 1940's without having a law degree?

[Tim Drayton]

I have answered my own question.

http://www.targetcourses.co.uk/article/ ... law-degree

[YFred]

Expat, Denktash is a trained lawyer, of course his arguments are going to be convincing. To support one community over the other just because its former leader has engaged with you is a little naive don't you think? Perhaps the lack of response from Clerides has dented your ego, on the other hand it could be that he gets much more fan mail than Denktash.

Both sides, and the US/UK had their own agendas, if you want detail of the events of 1963 read Martin Packard's book "Getting it Wrong"

The "trnc" cannot support itself today without massive subsidy from Turkey and the income from the sale of GC property, how you expect it to ever be an independent State is beyond me.

Jerry, Denktash is not a trained lawyer. He has no law qualifications. He attended a Law School one year London which is as near as he got to being lawyer.
As to the independence possibility, let us worry about that. If there there is no peace agreement, then that will be one of the two choices TCs will have. Turkish Investment in the TRNC for Tourism will be sufficient to change the TRNC into a viable proposition. The only thing required is direct flights. People will not fly 8 hours when they can do the same journey in 4.

Fred I was taught never to argue about disputed facts - look them up. If you care to "Google" "Rauf Denktash lawyer" you will find numerous references to the fact that he trained at Lincolns Inn and was called to the bar. He was employed by the colonial power as a prosecutor for 10 years and one report I read said that he was responsible for sending members of Eoka to the gallows.

If you know different perhaps you could direct me to a reliable source that says Denktash only trained for one year.

Jerry, that is from his own biography. Of course he will claim that.