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[Get Real!]

The day I see a Greek Cypriot leader displaying and speaking about the grey tones in the Cyprus issue will be a day I will finally say there is a change for progress!

How is the replacement of RoC school books that teach hatred towards Turks and blank out Greek abuses coming along!

I'm afraid that's not what a UN program found but the other way round!

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle23.htm

Better stop posting and making a fool of yourself and do more reading!

[FragnaticDeath]

In my point you TCs want more and more. You even want us to beg your forgiveness and be ruled under your council. Is that what you want? You want us to be your slaves? I ask you this!

Wow, hit a nerve did I? Your country - you should be ashamed of yourself. ASHAMED! ASHAMED! ASHAMED! you should be!
That is how a war is insighted - yes and that is what had happened thanks to freaks like you. Thanks to freaks like you people on both sides of the island have lost loved ones and possessions, their culture, their towns and villages.
ASHAMED!

Hit a nerve? Think not! There we go again accusations towards the GCs without giving a cologne to support your building of accusation. Do you know how to read english? I suppose through your mentally disturbed arrogant mind you have not seen the image of my post. Please continue.

I met turkish student and do you know what they say about the occupied land of ours? Its turkish land. Hey what the hell I come in your country (i mean turkey not TRNC cause its not) and start pretending this land is mine. But do you know what will happen to me? Ill be dead in a matter of seconds through the people of your third world country. So those lovely words of yours said about freaks is 180% degrees turned towards you.

You think by coming in here and giving false facts about us will help you into turning everyone (the viewers who are not registered) to your side. Well mate its time you realised there are Cypriots in here we will make you sit were you belong.

You can only build an opinion to a certain point with the buildings blocks you have, but building something through your imagination will crash the rest of your building on you. At this comes from a 21 year old who has more brains than you will ever have. It doesn't take a genious to understand what your after. Now go back to your corner and start brain storming more bullshit to come in here to prove a point that will be forever non-existent.

Do you blame the mental retards in institutions locked in a room preventing themselves from jumping of from buildings thinking that they are relatives of superman? Nope I blame nature(but thats how it works). But I blame Turkey for making such fools like you, it's only up to you to realise what your saying is wrong

[Byron]

In my point you TCs want more and more. You even want us to beg your forgiveness and be ruled under your council. Is that what you want? You want us to be your slaves? I ask you this!

Wow, hit a nerve did I? Your country - you should be ashamed of yourself. ASHAMED! ASHAMED! ASHAMED! you should be!
That is how a war is insighted - yes and that is what had happened thanks to freaks like you. Thanks to freaks like you people on both sides of the island have lost loved ones and possessions, their culture, their towns and villages.
ASHAMED!

What has all this got to do with the main topic or have we drifted as usual to US v THEM, looks like it . Ah so much for goodwill to all men !

[Get Real!]

Wow, hit a nerve did I? Your country - you should be ashamed of yourself. ASHAMED! ASHAMED! ASHAMED! you should be!
That is how a war is insighted - yes and that is what had happened thanks to freaks like you. Thanks to freaks like you people on both sides of the island have lost loved ones and possessions, their culture, their towns and villages.
ASHAMED!

Shhhhhhhhhhh!

DON'T POST JUST READ!

[Expatkiwi]

Expat; Are you around? Hallo!! Where is he?

Regarding the fates of A.Hikmet and M. Gurkan, is your claim of 'man of integrity' still valid?

I'd like to think so. Anyway, please refresh my memory so that I can properly answer you.

[Acikgoz]

It was a simple question, at the end of 2008 finally the issue of demonising Turkish Cypriots in the history books was being addressed with some vociferous responses....
Just curious how it was coming along:

" Critics have demonised Education Minister Andreas Demetriou for making such a bold proposal, which opponents say will undermine the heritage of the Mediterranean island.

The minister's circular is tantamount to "castrating our Hellenic heritage," according to nationalistic opposition party DISY.

"Does this mean everything that we have learned is false?" asked Archbishop Chrysostomos II, head of the powerful Cyprus Orthodox Church.

"Students learn more history of Greece or Turkey than history of Cyprus," said Papadakis, who published a book earlier this year outlining comparisons in history manuals in the north and the south.

He said there is a common thread to all history books in Cyprus except for those published in the breakaway Turkish republic where manuals were revised in 2004 following the election of leftist Talat.

"All the books... have a common plot: the good, the bad and the ugly," Papadakis said.

"The good is us, the evil is the neighbour, the enemy, and the ugly is the great powers who should have been on our side, and who betrayed us, namely Great Britain.

"Students learn that Cyprus has always been Greek, all the other communities... don't belong. They are conquerors," he said.

[Kikapu]

Expat, you are once again asking infantile questions that reflects your inferior knowledge of the Cyprus problems. Stop looking at things in a one dimensional way to try and find the reasons as to what happened in Cyprus so that you can make justifications to satisfy your own prejudice for wanting Cyprus permanently partitioned. If one partner in a marriage wants out of being married, one can use million ways to get out of that marriage, so please, don't say things like "Also, what did the TC's have to gain by leaving the government? ", specially when we have a partition today.? Can you not connect the dots.?? Please use some thinking before you write, because everything is not Black and White or what you may have been told by Denktash. It makes you look rather very silly and no doubt you invite a lot of abuse towards yourself from others.

R. Denktas had told me that "to see Cyprus in a black and white situation is really the only way to see it clearly. Shades of Grey convolute the real issue" - he continued to say - "which is that Turkish Cypriots were not welcome in Cyprus by Greek Cypriots and we deserve no less to live here. Anything else is immaterial". How can I argue with that, Kikapu?

Expat, slowly but surely you are heading down the toilet into the shit hole with what you write. You continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. You are relying on one source, a Fascist Dictator no less who is telling you what he wants you to believe, the Black and the White, and just like a mindless idiot would, you are believing everything you are being told. How on earth can anyone be objective in anything when they only hear both sides of the story from ONLY one source, Denktash.!

This was a part of a quote from you on another thread few days ago which you had apologized for being incorrect after you were challenged on it's accuracy.

"What had happened was that I was creating a wikipedia page regarding the TC's claim based on percentage of land they had owned pre-1963. I had a list of URL's given to me by some of my TC contacts. I looked up the first one, and it had quoted a 31% land figure. I put that figure up (without mentioning the URL or the source)."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=110

Tell us, Expat, were you not mislead by those TC contacts of yours when you believed what you were told on the TC land claim at 31%.? Now you are telling us, you believe what Denktash told you as the gospel truth, and you as a grown man believe everything being told to you by a person who has gained a lot of stolen GC land for himself and all his cronies. Are you one of his cronies or hope to become one just by becoming a "brown nose", Expat. You are unbelievable. I thought you told us you were intelligent, but now I'm really beginning to have doubts about that and put your intelligence along the same level as your ill informed knowledge of the Cyprus problems.

Sure there has been a lot of hate between the communities over the years, but if Denktash is telling you it was a one way hate only as he claims, then you have been taken for a sucker. Maybe you think there is a reward for you with some stolen GC land at some point in the future if permanent partition occurs, because that’s what you would like to see happen, along with Denktash, therefore you want to maintain your belief that what ever Denktash told/tells you, he is correct. Then you come up with the following gem in this thread.

Don't be stupid, Malapapa! In any case, at least Rauf Denktas has integrity. What's your claim to fame?

So you think Denktash has integrity just because he managed to partition the island half baked with all the help coming from Turkey. Are you always so impressed with Dictators, Expat, specially the ones who have a lot of blood on their hands, and I'm not talking about GC blood, but TC blood as well. You really a one sick man to think Denktash has integrity when he was the main reason why so many TCs suffered in enclaves to help bring Turkey onto the island, with the help from GC fanatics too of course. Because you think you have contact with a TC leader, you want to forget his past evil doings to the TCs who became become a Dictator for 3 decades where half the TC population left the island from 1974 till present, and in return, brought in the settlers to take their place to vote for him in rigged elections, just because he gave them free stolen GC properties for their loyalty. I'm just curious, Expat, were you also so flattered by Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, and all the other dictators from the past. Do you think they too had integrity, because they too believed in what they were doing, right.? Are you happy that Hitler murdered 6 million human beings as a man of integrity.? He did after all meet his goal to kill as many Jews, Gypsies, Gays, and others as much as humanly possible. Were you too impressed by Hitler.?.

Expat, I was right about you all along, that you are a man who is morally corrupted and also lacks any integrity, and now I have serous doubts about your consciousness of your cavalier attitude towards all the victims in Cyprus, GCs and TCs in the hands of Racist Fascists like Denktash. The fact that you praise Denktash at every opportunity tells us a lot about yourself. Just for your information, Expat, the north will never be allowed to become an independent state because Turkey will never allow it, because it would mean the end of the road for Turkey's hope in becoming a EU member and I do not think the GCs will allow the north to become an independent state through the back door as a EU member with such a plan as the Annan Plan. You can support Denktash all you want, but in the end, what ever he may have promised you for your loyalty, you will not get it.!

[boomerang]

comical expats hero was and still is hitler...in his febble mind, hitler had principles...

[denizaksulu]

Expat; Are you around? Hallo!! Where is he?

Regarding the fates of A.Hikmet and M. Gurkan, is your claim of 'man of integrity' still valid?

I'd like to think so. Anyway, please refresh my memory so that I can properly answer you.

You mentioned integrity and I posted an article which included a paragraph on the deaths of a couple of journalists.Remember? You do not suffer from early symptoms of Alzheimers do you?

[Expatkiwi]

Expat, I was right about you all along, that you are a man who is morally corrupted and also lacks any integrity, and now I have serous doubts about your consciousness of your cavalier attitude towards all the victims in Cyprus, GCs and TCs in the hands of Racist Fascists like Denktash. The fact that you praise Denktash at every opportunity tells us a lot about yourself. Just for your information, Expat, the north will never be allowed to become an independent state because Turkey will never allow it, because it would mean the end of the road for Turkey's hope in becoming a EU member and I do not think the GCs will allow the north to become an independent state through the back door as a EU member with such a plan as the Annan Plan. You can support Denktash all you want, but in the end, what ever he may have promised you for your loyalty, you will not get it.!

Actually, the history of Nazi Germany is something I do read about from time to time (as from a vexillological point, the flags, emblems, and trappings of power from that time are quite powerful). But lets get back to your last post. You call Mr. Denktas a racist, and from your point of view, I suppose that is understandable. But - and correct me if I'm wrong - wasn't Makarios III thinking along similar lines when he acceeded to the presidency in 1960? He did state that enosis and not independence was his goal. Sampson was certainly a racist and was supported by Greece after Makarios (relutantly) accepted that enosis wasn't going to be allowed by the international community.
Now, why I do refer to Mr. Denktas in the affirmative is simple: he takes the time to answer my questions and his logic in his arguments makes sense, given the situation that had been described as one of a looking threat over the Turkish Cypriot populace. We exchange letters, and thats about it. He never promised me or paid me anything. It just seemed to me that he raised pertinent points. If it is propaganda, then it is propaganda that has been VERY well thought out. I had written to President Klerides asking for his views and I never received a reply, and also no replies to my inquiries to the Embassy of Cyprus in Washington DC (though the TRNC Representative Office there never fails to reply to my inquiries).
Kikapu, you're asking me to be honest, and I'm being as honest as I can here. It's up to you to accept or reject. The bottom line is that I think Turkish annexation would be a disaster and reintegration into RoCy without proper resolution of the problems with both communities (and it needs to be redressed to before December 1963, NOT July 1974) will simply re-light the powder keg. The only solution that I can see is that the TRNC be acknowledged as an independent, non-aligned state (though with the current 37% of the island they currently have pared back to between 22% to 25%) and with the safeguard of no annexation by any state. That's where I stand, and I can't apologize for it. I think my stance is the right one.