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[Tony-4497]

TRNC supporters are NOT all ethnic cleansers, and New Zealanders are NOT "dumbfucks" either

I will agree with the latter and disagree with the former. ANYONE who supports a "Turkish state" created on land that was stolen and ethnically cleansed of 90% of its legal residents (who had been there for thousands of years) through brutal military force is BY DEFINITION an ethnic cleanser or at least a supporter of ethnic cleansing (I do not think there is a material difference between the two).

Tony, I don't want to be nasty, and please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't ethnic cleansing what happened in 1963 thru 1965 when the TC's were ousted from government and forced into enclaves? Also, complete non-Greek ethnic cleansing of Cyprus was the goal of the Sampson coup, judging from Sampson's own quotes. The population exchanges in 1975 were by definition a "cleansing" of both sides, isn't that so?

This debate has been had lots of times here.. Intercommunal violence pre-74 was INITIATED by Turkey and TMT (first intercommunal killings were done by them, not GCs). Repeating in a mantra-like manner that TCs were "ousted from the government" (usually this comes with "at gunpoint") won't make it true.. etc etc.. Yes, there was a small number of GC criminals who acted against the RoC but this does not compare with the mass-scale ethnic cleansing and theft of land carried out by the Turkish state.

[Floda]

As one whose tolerance level when it comes to stupidity is rather low I would most certainly reprimand those that I feel are being utterly stupid and irresponsible when it comes to serving the interests of this island. Plonkers who are dedicated supporters of any enemy of the West regardless of how vile and and insignificant to the cause of Cyprus such vile entities might be , Al Qaeda for instance.
We have well educated and rather narrow minded Cypriots WHO DETEST THE WEST SO MUCH THAT THEY WILL COME TO THE DEFENCE OF THE WEST'S ENEMIES AT A DROP OF A HAT.
I have no time for these morons and neither do I have time for those who refuse to learn historical lessons and the causes of inviting Turkey into our shores.
Our island is denied by a large number of people of the right to be an independent nation , the right that all other nations have .
We deny our true motherland and embrace foreign countries to the detriment of the future generations of Cypriots.
To some it seems that unless you support the ideals the led to the destruction of our island back in 74 then you are not a G/C !! One Plonker often refers to me as a traitor because at the age of 15 in 1961 , 3 years I believe before the introduction of national service , I emigrated to the UK , on my own I might add , this Plonker insinuates that I deserted that somehow I along with thousands of other Cypriots who sought to improve their lives simply run away.
Let me now say loud and clear that the diaspora Cypriots supported and actively involved themselves in the promotion of justice , liberty and financial welfare of their motherland , the island of Cyprus.
Thirty years plus I marched , I lobbied , I screamed debated and loved this island and this moron of a plonker calls me a traitor.
Here is my vote Adolf , you Plonker!!

Since you have directed your closing comment to me personally, I feel obliged to concede that you may have scored SOME points in your earlier remarks, however, I cannot accept your contention that you have 'Debated' (although 'Screaming' is a possibility) since you persistently demonstrate your inability to so do.

Nevertheless, thank you for constantly associating my name with that of 'Adolf Hitler' , such a one as HE must be historically on a par with the likes of 'Alexander the Great' and 'Genghis Khan' since both these chaps were almost masters of the entire world.

A compliment indeed, if I may be so bold.

[Piratis]

TRNC supporters are NOT all ethnic cleansers, and New Zealanders are NOT "dumbfucks" either

I will agree with the latter and disagree with the former. ANYONE who supports a "Turkish state" created on land that was stolen and ethnically cleansed of 90% of its legal residents (who had been there for thousands of years) through brutal military force is BY DEFINITION an ethnic cleanser or at least a supporter of ethnic cleansing (I do not think there is a material difference between the two).

I agree with Tony. This forum tolerates such criminals, but this doesn't mean we should not talk to such people in the only way the deserve.

Another option is to ban every ethnic cleansing supporter, like they do in many other Cypriot forums. In many countries it is illegal to deny certain things (e.g. The Armenian genocide) or to support certain things (e.g. The Nazi regime), so maybe we should do something similar in Cyprus and in the forum when it comes to the support of the "trnc" and the denial of the ethnic cleansing. When such trolls like expatwiki are banned there will not be any more provocations against the Cypriot people and no more abuse.

[Expatkiwi]

Piratis, now you're getting in on the abuse. I was under the impression that trolls were fantasy creations...
Anyway, the reason I can't accept the "voluntary relocation" of TC's into their enclaves (or TMT forcing them all into enclaves) is that even 18% of the then-population of Cyprus was too big for TMT to control, and if the RoCy was against such a move, then why didn't they move to stop it? The notion of either TMT or TC's doing so on their own accord just isn't believable, IMHO. Also, what did the TC's have to gain by leaving the government? There are sources like the BBC who have stated that the Turkish Cypriot MP's were kept out of government by armed Greek militias. Doesn't sound like a "voluntary boycott" to me.

[Malapapa]

Cyprus Forum Rules
* Personal attacks are not allowed - Don't attack others. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insult and personal attack.


Now, if someone with no connection to Cyprus comes to a Cyprus forum and advocates the establishment of a new country on innocent Cypriots' land and property, isn't this insulting to such Cypriots? Isn't this a personal attack on such Cypriots? And, as a Cypriot, am I not acting in accordance with forum rules if I refuse to tolerate this?

[Kikapu]

Piratis, now you're getting in on the abuse. I was under the impression that trolls were fantasy creations...
Anyway, the reason I can't accept the "voluntary relocation" of TC's into their enclaves (or TMT forcing them all into enclaves) is that even 18% of the then-population of Cyprus was too big for TMT to control, and if the RoCy was against such a move, then why didn't they move to stop it? The notion of either TMT or TC's doing so on their own accord just isn't believable, IMHO. Also, what did the TC's have to gain by leaving the government? There are sources like the BBC who have stated that the Turkish Cypriot MP's were kept out of government by armed Greek militias. Doesn't sound like a "voluntary boycott" to me.

Expat, you are once again asking infantile questions that reflects your inferior knowledge of the Cyprus problems. Stop looking at things in a one dimensional way to try and find the reasons as to what happened in Cyprus so that you can make justifications to satisfy your own prejudice for wanting Cyprus permanently partitioned. If one partner in a marriage wants out of being married, one can use million ways to get out of that marriage, so please, don't say things like "Also, what did the TC's have to gain by leaving the government? ", specially when we have a partition today.? Can you not connect the dots.?? Please use some thinking before you write, because everything is not Black and White or what you may have been told by Denktash. It makes you look rather very silly and no doubt you invite a lot of abuse towards yourself from others.

As a TC, I find some of your posts rather very annoying and embarrassing in how you justify for the existence of the illegal state in the north when there are far better ways to support the TCs in a Unified Cyprus with all their rights protected as EU citizens making an honest living with brighter future for their children than what they have now, or don't have, as the case may be. To the GCs, you must seem like a real "Hillbilly" in your ZERO knowledge of the Cyprus problems. Perhaps you should do more reading than writing on serious matters concerning Cyprus, or else expect to be ridiculed by CF members.

[boomerang]

comical expat's knowledge of the cyprob could be equated and summed up with the knowledge of comical ali during the iraq invasion...

[paliometoxo]

or like that cyporus44 forum whatever its called they delete gc posts and then tcs shout the gcs this and that and no one touches their posts which is why i stay far

[Viewpoint]

People with nothing to say attack the messenger and use degrading language that we see on CF, we have many experts in this area who spout out verbal diahorrea.

[paliometoxo]

well a lot of times they are provoked