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[Expatkiwi]

and the sad saga of dumbing of the forum continues...

Yeah, that usually happens when you're on the forum, ηλίθιος.

says the man that thinks a quarterback is a refund...

You probably don't know how American Football is played, so don't start...

[boomerang]

and the sad saga of dumbing of the forum continues...

Yeah, that usually happens when you're on the forum, ηλίθιος.

says the man that thinks a quarterback is a refund...

You probably don't know how American Football is played, so don't start...

why you think everyone is a dumbass like your self?...

[Acikgoz]

Talisker, interesting thread.
For my 2 cents and experience with the younger TC population, I'd like to venture another direction.
The Cyprus problem is often a discussion point but is less the issue that causes the groupings to occur, it seems that tolerance and understanding have a long way to go amongst much of the youth. As with most high schools there are cliques and social strata. For the TCs who have a self perseption of being more "European" than their college mates from over the water a social strata is formed, this is perpetuated by the differences in the social standing in the communities of their respective families.
I hear shocking generalisations about people from different nationalities, sexual preferences, wealth etc. which reek of low level of social maturity.
One of the issues TCs face is that with the isolation the exposure to different cultures and lifestyles has been somewhat limited.

[Oracle]

One of the issues TCs face is that with the isolation the exposure to different cultures and lifestyles has been somewhat limited.

It's not the "isolation", but the massive shock of overexposure to a few hundred thousand Turkish Colonising settlers and over-indulgent degenerate Brits .... add to that the TCs' natural self-importance and reticence to integration, and there you have it .... a time-bomb of the TCs own making (again).

[denizaksulu]

it looks to me the tcs need an annan plan for themselves...

No.... The TC's need a country of their own: TRNC.

all they need to do then is find some land that belongs to them and Bob's your uncle.

You are forgetting that possession is 90% of ownership. Add 35 years to that and Annan was the best you could have. I always said that each one is slightly worse than the previous one and this next one will be no different. Mess the net one up and it's the end. Problem solved.

So if your car was stolen you would never pursue the thieves? Or if you returned home and found squatters occupying 'your' space, you would let them stay there unchallenged even though the law was on your side 100%?

If there was no breaking and entering into the property, try getting them out. There is an interesting case in London this year, where some squatters climbed through a window of an empty house that is worth millions. If it's empty, the rule applies. If the owner had no access to it for 35 years and then the person in possession is the owner, even here. You can blame the roc for that one. The deals on the table in 70's and 80 were far better than what you are going to get now and what you are getting now is far better then what you are going to get in the future.
You comparison is not relevant. GCs tried to take the whole of Cyprus and lost the war. Now in true DT terms, you have to take like a man. His words not mime.

Yfredo, how can anyone take you seriously when you say, 'You are forgetting that possession is 90% of ownership. Add 35 years to that and Annan was the best you could have.. I can only assume that your weird sense of humour has taken over.

Please tell me its a joke and a Happy New Year to all Lurucadi's.

[Acikgoz]

Oracle, still mad I see. Nothing but a hater

Deniza - I admit it sounds mad and totally unjust, but remember we are not in a situation where, as our colour metaphors describe, there is a lot of grey. You risk sounding naive.

Does having control and recognition of an unconstitutionally established government not equate to possession being 90% of ownership? Possesion through political maneuver or military or biased judges, none are "right" but hey when was man ever wise, whichever culture he came from.

Perspective and context will get you every time! Hard to blame Yfred given possession is 10/10ths of the law in the south.

[denizaksulu]

Oracle, still mad I see. Nothing but a hater

Deniza - I admit it sounds mad and totally unjust, but remember we are not in a situation where, as our colour metaphors describe, there is a lot of grey. You risk sounding naive.

Does having control and recognition of an unconstitutionally established government not equate to possession being 90% of ownership? Possesion through political maneuver or military or biased judges, none are "right" but hey when was man ever wise, whichever culture he came from.

Perspective and context will get you every time! Hard to blame Yfred given possession is 10/10ths of the law in the south.

It is mad and unjust. I may be naive politically, but I can tell right from wrong.

As to T/C properties in the south you are totally wrong and you know that. Any TC who has lived abroad continuously since before 1974 can claim his land back. A slow process, but unlike the north, these properties are eventually returned to their legal owners.

You may think that you are 'açıkgöz' but you are letting your guard slip. Open your eyes a bit wider.

[Talisker]

Talisker, interesting thread.
For my 2 cents and experience with the younger TC population, I'd like to venture another direction.
The Cyprus problem is often a discussion point but is less the issue that causes the groupings to occur, it seems that tolerance and understanding have a long way to go amongst much of the youth. As with most high schools there are cliques and social strata. For the TCs who have a self perseption of being more "European" than their college mates from over the water a social strata is formed, this is perpetuated by the differences in the social standing in the communities of their respective families.
I hear shocking generalisations about people from different nationalities, sexual preferences, wealth etc. which reek of low level of social maturity.
One of the issues TCs face is that with the isolation the exposure to different cultures and lifestyles has been somewhat limited.

Could part of the stigmatization of Turks by TC students also be due to the fact that settlers or Turkish students are likely to only have a finite time in Cyprus and then will have to leave to return to Turkey? TCs, on the other hand, feel they have a future in Cyprus, part of the 'European' perception you mentioned. Surely this bodes well for reunification and reintegration?

[Acikgoz]

As to T/C properties in the south you are totally wrong and you know that. Any TC who has lived abroad continuously since before 1974 can claim his land back. A slow process, but unlike the north, these properties are eventually returned to their legal owners.

Wish that was the case, TCs do not have he infrastructure of support from govt. lawyers, church to pursue claims. They have no overarching philosophy on getting their rights back in the same way as their primary motivation is to just get on.
Tell me how much TCs pour into lobbying, tell me how much TRNC support goes into follwing up claims. Let's see what happens to the villagers from Vroisha whose village was raised to the ground in 1963 well before 1974 and still haven't been able to get their land back.
Let me see a property commission or simply the ability to go and sell or move into your property in the South and then I'd say you're right.

I don't agree that possession should reflect 9/10ths of ownership, but if GCs play that game, don't be surprised that TCs will also do so AND believe it is justified.

I haven't seen 1 GC claim the isolation is unjustified. Whereas both you and I agree that possession should not = ownership. Does that make us better people or simply not relevant to the mainstream of the Cyprus issue?

[Acikgoz]

Talisker, I would say that is the situation for some. Another is the propensity of TCs to move out of the island either for higher education in the UK for example, or find work in Europe.
Given the isolation, it provides the primary driver for the TC brain drain. I don't have the statistics, but students are moving to the larger EU countries, some to US rather than integrating in the South.
Practicalities -material concerns and opportunities - over ride the more philosophical issue of the Cyprus solution.