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[Malapapa]

You are forgetting that possession is 90% of ownership.

What a vile way of looking at it. Is this how things work in the north? Grab what you can, when you can, from who you can, and then claim ownership? As an economic model it's a disaster.

The Republic of Cyprus possesses 100% sovereignty of 100% of the island. And property owners possess 100% rights to their property, north and south, protected by international law. This trumps your stolen 90%.

Add 35 years to that and Annan was the best you could have. I always said that each one is slightly worse than the previous one and this next one will be no different. Mess the net one up and it's the end. Problem solved.

After your PTSD treatment I recommend you go on a course for conducting successful negotiations.

[Malapapa]

You can blame the roc for that one. The deals on the table in 70's and 80 were far better than what you are going to get now and what you are getting now is far better then what you are going to get in the future.
You comparison is not relevant. GCs tried to take the whole of Cyprus and lost the war. Now in true DT terms, you have to take like a man. His words not mime.

If you think the war was lost then all Turkey needed to do was put the worst possible deal, an "unconditional surrender", on the table for signature back in 1974. Why didn't Turkey do that?

[Talisker]

it looks to me the tcs need an annan plan for themselves...

No.... The TC's need a country of their own: TRNC.

all they need to do then is find some land that belongs to them and Bob's your uncle.

You are forgetting that possession is 90% of ownership. Add 35 years to that and Annan was the best you could have. I always said that each one is slightly worse than the previous one and this next one will be no different. Mess the net one up and it's the end. Problem solved.

So if your car was stolen you would never pursue the thieves? Or if you returned home and found squatters occupying 'your' space, you would let them stay there unchallenged even though the law was on your side 100%?

If there was no breaking and entering into the property, try getting them out. There is an interesting case in London this year, where some squatters climbed through a window of an empty house that is worth millions. If it's empty, the rule applies. If the owner had no access to it for 35 years and then the person in possession is the owner, even here. You can blame the roc for that one. The deals on the table in 70's and 80 were far better than what you are going to get now and what you are getting now is far better then what you are going to get in the future.
You comparison is not relevant. GCs tried to take the whole of Cyprus and lost the war. Now in true DT terms, you have to take like a man. His words not mime.

Well, duh - breaking and entering = 1974 invasion and forced partition.

So far as I can ascertain from your posts YFred, you have no respect for the law or for any moral standards. You support the thief against the victim.

[insan]

How does that poll contradict what I said above?

Not only majority of TCs but majority of GCs also have no hope for reunification...

They don't have HOPE ... not that they don't WANT...

Everything depends on political, social and economical(local/regional/international) circumstances... it has nothing directly to do with being a TC or GC or from any other ethnic group...

The circumstances of 1571 were significantly suitable for Ottoman settlers to easily get integrated with the locals despite the fact land of Cyprus and it's people was complete strangers to Ottoman settlers...

Then the Ottoman leadership only was intolerant against catholics because catholics were intolerant against muslims... does it make sense to u?

On the other hand, then the Ottoman leadership was tolerant to people of Orthodox faith because they had good relationships at least tolerant to each other... Otherwise, it would have been people of Orthodox faith who Ottoman leadership forced to emigrate from Cyprus or accepted if they converted to islam...

Had Ottoman settlers been intolerant to Orthodox they would have segragated themselves from Greek Orthodox and ethnic segregation(geographically and socially) of Ottoman settlers and Greek Orthodox people been forced in the very first days of arrival of Ottoman settlers who were nucleus of today's TC community.

See? How our tolerant, peaceful historical background let us significantly "integrate" with the people of Orthodox faith?

After the Greek independence war, arrival of universal nationalism movement and Turkish liberation war; the circumstances(local, regional and international) had significantly changed the positive circumstances and began negatively affecting the nearly 200 years lasted integration process of 2 communities of Cyprus... not only integration of Ottoman muslims into Greek Orthdox people but Greek Orthodox into Ottoman muslims too...

Still; it is the unsuitable local, regional and international circumstances that don't allow or allow a little ground for 2 communities to trust each other and rapidly get integrated for reunification of Cyprus... So, either we need to start from somewhere that the current circimstances allow us or agree on partition of Cyprus...

O, every country on earth... and every nation, every ethnic group in the world have it's own unique history and circumstances that if u want to judge, honour or dishonour them; u need to take into account their historical background and circumstances... As a uni educated Greek Cypriot u r, u must be able to do this if ever ur hatred and anger allows ur brain to take control of ur mind, heart and soul ofc...

Noone is evil from the birth... even "meme" theory is true...

[paliometoxo]

there is not much of a majoraty of tcs left so thats not much hope espesially when you guys get the partionist leader next year and then there really will be no hope of a solution with a vote.. because both side will never get anywhere with turkey and your new leader..

so the only way is if a country steps in and forces turkey to stfu

[insan]

there is not much of a majoraty of tcs left so thats not much hope espesially when you guys get the partionist leader next year and then there really will be no hope of a solution with a vote.. because both side will never get anywhere with turkey and your new leader..

so the only way is if a country steps in and forces turkey to stfu

With this mindset Palio has which i believe represents most of the average GC mentality; let alone having a hope for reunification of Cyprus, i lose my hopes for the future of a GC state in South of Cyprus...

[paliometoxo]

why? im just stating the truth... dont complain about gcs for something TURKEY is doing..

[insan]

why? im just stating the truth... dont complain about gcs for something TURKEY is doing..

Ok my angel... keep running around the same, narrow and non-dialectic circle and go nowhere...

[Oracle]

it looks to me the tcs need an annan plan for themselves...

No.... The TC's need a country of their own: TRNC.

all they need to do then is find some land that belongs to them and Bob's your uncle.

You are forgetting that possession is 90% of ownership..

You kleptomaniac; even trying to swindle the law. Possession is 90% of the Law .... not "ownership" you moron!

That means about 90% of the Law is precisely about who should not be holding on to other people's possessions or depriving others of their possessions etc. etc

It does not mean because you illegally swiped it, it magically becomes 90% yours: you larcenous farce of a scoundrel!

[Oracle]

How does that poll contradict what I said above?

Not only majority of TCs but majority of GCs also have no hope for reunification...

...

Insan you are rumbling incoherently and out of context, again.

Your poll is nonsense as a rebuttal of what I was saying because we are discussing how TCs do not seem able to integrate or tolerate anybody... not even Turks! ... who they might just start killing! ... according to this TC psychologist!