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Arrrgh Oracle - I CAST YOU OUT! UNCLEAN SPIRIT!

[Malapapa]

Malap the simplicity of your comment to a complex problem is about as relevant as one of my nieces or nephews that are aged 7-9 would make. Grow up.

All great things are simple, and many can be expressed in single words: freedom, justice, honour, duty, mercy, hope.
Sir Winston Churchill

Now get your nieces and nephews to respond because they will make more sense than you; and you are no longer tolerable.

[Oracle]

Arrrgh Oracle - I CAST YOU OUT! UNCLEAN SPIRIT!

Are you possessed, my dear!

[Expatkiwi]

turkey is not making the solving of the cyprus problem very easy.. infact they are making it next to impossible

I would have to agree with you here. They are being rather interfering and politically overbearing for a 'protective' power. If Turkey does indeed recognize TRNC as a sovereign nation, they should be consulting with the Talat Administration rather than unilaterally making their own policy decisions that effectively sidelines President Talat and his government. That kind of behavior simply gives more credence to the claim that Turkey is more an occupier of TRNC than an ally of TRNC.

Jesus, what happened to you, Expat? You're almost starting to talk sense.

Malapapa, I want TRNC to be sovereign in every respect. That means that other nations - including Turkey - respects the TRNC's sovereignty. The fact that no other nation but Turkey recognizes TRNC (with the exception of Azerbaijan's NAR), and that Turkey's relations with TRNC are not what I'd call purely friendly-state-to-friendly-state makes the TRNC's standing (from both sides) rather impotent. The Turkish Cypriots deserve better.

[BirKibrisli]

Malap, you continue to ask for your points to be addressed, but will not say from whose perspective. To say GC point of view would undermine the purpose of your thread as you'd be shown to be self-interested, but to say from both perspectives opens you up to real situations that have arisen in the context of the Cyprus situation which would again undermine your position.

Why don't you address the concerns all free Cypriots would have, including TCs living in the free areas or in other parts of the free world, and stop worrying about perspectives? I am coming at this from a human perspective.

So you want your points addressed from a "human perspective",Malapapa???
which human prespective are you talking about???The one exibited daily on this forum??? The racist,intolerant,bigoted human perspective???I will give it a go...

1. What hard won freedoms are you talking about??? All the GCs ever did was betray their motherland by wanting to unite it with a foreign power,Greece...You should thank those brave TCs who stood in your way,in the way of ENOSIS,and kiss Turkey's hand for finally giving you the opportunity to become True Cypriots and finally appreciate what it is like to be downtrotten in your own country.....

2.What is good for the goose...If the TCs can be forced to run away and give up their own properties in the South,the GCs should not complain too much about their own properties in the North...

3. The conditions present in Cyprus cannot be found in any other EU country...We do not have an oppressive majority who for 11 years(63-74) turned a blind I to the suffering of the minority,and encouraged them to leave their motherland,in their version of the final solution,when the Hitler version proved too difficult to emulate....

4.Universal suffrage is a luxury we cannot afford in Cyprus...Because the majority of Cypriots proved themselves uncapable of respecting the human rights of their minority,and forced them to live in fear of pysical extermination, massacres,rapes, and such attrocities,for 11 long years...The majority of Cypriots have added insult to injury by refusing to admit that such treatment was handed to the minority when they had them in their power...

5. Turkey's influence in Cyprus is not new. It goes back to 1571 when the Ottoman's liberated the local population from the Venitian yoke,and went on to provide the most tolerant of all imperial rules,proven by the fact that when they relinguished their rule, more than 300 years later,the GC majority was very much in tact....

6...Turkey's intervention in 74 saved Cyprus from a fate worse than death,to be in the mercy of the Junta in Greece and its local murderous puppets...a lot of Greek Cypriots and all TCs were in danger of massacres and worse abuse of human rights which the brave Turkish soldiers have prevented...why be afraid of such a well meaning neighbour if you do not have evil plans on your fellow Cypriots....???

Now put these in your pipe and smoke it,Malapapa...Because the average TC thinks just like what I have written above...Keep on treating them as second class Cypriots,or pretenders, cowardly collaborators of a foreign power and you will sign your own death warrants...Talking about human rights and democracy is all well,but it would be more believable if you showed the slightest empathy for the TC plight when they were really down and out...Democracy is a regime which cannot be sustained without one fundamental human right,the right to free speech...The way you have been treating the likes of Bananiot and Expat who are only trying to practise their most democratic right makes you all unsavory characters who cannot be trusted to run a democratic state...

[halil]

Malap, you continue to ask for your points to be addressed, but will not say from whose perspective. To say GC point of view would undermine the purpose of your thread as you'd be shown to be self-interested, but to say from both perspectives opens you up to real situations that have arisen in the context of the Cyprus situation which would again undermine your position.

Why don't you address the concerns all free Cypriots would have, including TCs living in the free areas or in other parts of the free world, and stop worrying about perspectives? I am coming at this from a human perspective.

So you want your points addressed from a "human perspective",Malapapa???
which human prespective are you talking about???The one exibited daily on this forum??? The racist,intolerant,bigoted human perspective???I will give it a go...

1. What hard won freedoms are you talking about??? All the GCs ever did was betray their motherland by wanting to unite it with a foreign power,Greece...You should thank those brave TCs who stood in your way,in the way of ENOSIS,and kiss Turkey's hand for finally giving you the opportunity to become True Cypriots and finally appreciate what it is like to be downtrotten in your own country.....

2.What is good for the goose...If the TCs can be forced to run away and give up their own properties in the South,the GCs should not complain too much about their own properties in the North...

3. The conditions present in Cyprus cannot be found in any other EU country...We do not have an oppressive majority who for 11 years(63-74) turned a blind I to the suffering of the minority,and encouraged them to leave their motherland,in their version of the final solution,when the Hitler version proved too difficult to emulate....

4.Universal suffrage is a luxury we cannot afford in Cyprus...Because the majority of Cypriots proved themselves uncapable of respecting the human rights of their minority,and forced them to live in fear of pysical extermination, massacres,rapes, and such attrocities,for 11 long years...The majority of Cypriots have added insult to injury by refusing to admit that such treatment was handed to the minority when they had them in their power...

5. Turkey's influence in Cyprus is not new. It goes back to 1571 when the Ottoman's liberated the local population from the Venitian yoke,and went on to provide the most tolerant of all imperial rules,proven by the fact that when they relinguished their rule, more than 300 years later,the GC majority was very much in tact....

6...Turkey's intervention in 74 saved Cyprus from a fate worse than death,to be in the mercy of the Junta in Greece and its local murderous puppets...a lot of Greek Cypriots and all TCs were in danger of massacres and worse abuse of human rights which the brave Turkish soldiers have prevented...why be afraid of such a well meaning neighbour if you do not have evil plans on your fellow Cypriots....???

Now put these in your pipe and smoke it,Malapapa...Because the average TC thinks just like what I have written above...Keep on treating them as second class Cypriots,or pretenders, cowardly collaborators of a foreign power and you will sign your own death warrants...Talking about human rights and democracy is all well,but it would be more believable if you showed the slightest empathy for the TC plight when they were really down and out...Democracy is a regime which cannot be sustained without one fundamental human right,the right to free speech...The way you have been treating the likes of Bananiot and Expat who are only trying to practise their most democratic right makes you all unsavory characters who cannot be trusted to run a democratic state...

Bravo Gardash .....Well said .....

[Oracle]

... The Turkish Cypriots deserve better.

They "deserve better" than to live in homes, land, territory which they have stolen from others and which they want (incredulously) want to make their "sovereign" own. Yes they deserve better ... such as self-respect which can only come about through honesty!

[DT.]

Malap, you continue to ask for your points to be addressed, but will not say from whose perspective. To say GC point of view would undermine the purpose of your thread as you'd be shown to be self-interested, but to say from both perspectives opens you up to real situations that have arisen in the context of the Cyprus situation which would again undermine your position.

Why don't you address the concerns all free Cypriots would have, including TCs living in the free areas or in other parts of the free world, and stop worrying about perspectives? I am coming at this from a human perspective.

So you want your points addressed from a "human perspective",Malapapa???
which human prespective are you talking about???The one exibited daily on this forum??? The racist,intolerant,bigoted human perspective???I will give it a go...

1. What hard won freedoms are you talking about??? All the GCs ever did was betray their motherland by wanting to unite it with a foreign power,Greece...You should thank those brave TCs who stood in your way,in the way of ENOSIS,and kiss Turkey's hand for finally giving you the opportunity to become True Cypriots and finally appreciate what it is like to be downtrotten in your own country.....

2.What is good for the goose...If the TCs can be forced to run away and give up their own properties in the South,the GCs should not complain too much about their own properties in the North...

3. The conditions present in Cyprus cannot be found in any other EU country...We do not have an oppressive majority who for 11 years(63-74) turned a blind I to the suffering of the minority,and encouraged them to leave their motherland,in their version of the final solution,when the Hitler version proved too difficult to emulate....

4.Universal suffrage is a luxury we cannot afford in Cyprus...Because the majority of Cypriots proved themselves uncapable of respecting the human rights of their minority,and forced them to live in fear of pysical extermination, massacres,rapes, and such attrocities,for 11 long years...The majority of Cypriots have added insult to injury by refusing to admit that such treatment was handed to the minority when they had them in their power...

5. Turkey's influence in Cyprus is not new. It goes back to 1571 when the Ottoman's liberated the local population from the Venitian yoke,and went on to provide the most tolerant of all imperial rules,proven by the fact that when they relinguished their rule, more than 300 years later,the GC majority was very much in tact....

6...Turkey's intervention in 74 saved Cyprus from a fate worse than death,to be in the mercy of the Junta in Greece and its local murderous puppets...a lot of Greek Cypriots and all TCs were in danger of massacres and worse abuse of human rights which the brave Turkish soldiers have prevented...why be afraid of such a well meaning neighbour if you do not have evil plans on your fellow Cypriots....???

Now put these in your pipe and smoke it,Malapapa...Because the average TC thinks just like what I have written above...Keep on treating them as second class Cypriots,or pretenders, cowardly collaborators of a foreign power and you will sign your own death warrants...Talking about human rights and democracy is all well,but it would be more believable if you showed the slightest empathy for the TC plight when they were really down and out...Democracy is a regime which cannot be sustained without one fundamental human right,the right to free speech...The way you have been treating the likes of Bananiot and Expat who are only trying to practise their most democratic right makes you all unsavory characters who cannot be trusted to run a democratic state...

Bravo Gardash .....Well said .....

Halil, you're missing the point of this exercise.

[Malapapa]

turkey is not making the solving of the cyprus problem very easy.. infact they are making it next to impossible

I would have to agree with you here. They are being rather interfering and politically overbearing for a 'protective' power. If Turkey does indeed recognize TRNC as a sovereign nation, they should be consulting with the Talat Administration rather than unilaterally making their own policy decisions that effectively sidelines President Talat and his government. That kind of behavior simply gives more credence to the claim that Turkey is more an occupier of TRNC than an ally of TRNC.

Jesus, what happened to you, Expat? You're almost starting to talk sense.

Malapapa, I want TRNC to be sovereign in every respect. That means that other nations - including Turkey - respects the TRNC's sovereignty. The fact that no other nation but Turkey recognizes TRNC (with the exception of Azerbaijan's NAR), and that Turkey's relations with TRNC are not what I'd call purely friendly-state-to-friendly-state makes the TRNC's standing (from both sides) rather impotent. The Turkish Cypriots deserve better.

The Maoris deserve better. Give them their own state in New Zealand before you come here advocating the carving up of Cyprus, you outsider.

[Malapapa]

Now put these in your pipe and smoke it,Malapapa...Because the average TC thinks just like what I have written above...Keep on treating them as second class Cypriots,or pretenders, cowardly collaborators of a foreign power and you will sign your own death warrants...

This is your idea of addressing my concerns?

Talking about human rights and democracy is all well,but it would be more believable if you showed the slightest empathy for the TC plight when they were really down and out...

I do sympathise with TCs but... (shall we start the thread all over again?)

Democracy is a regime which cannot be sustained without one fundamental human right,the right to free speech...The way you have been treating the likes of Bananiot and Expat who are only trying to practise their most democratic right makes you all unsavory characters who cannot be trusted to run a democratic state...

75% of Brits don't trust their politicians to run a democratic state. Welcome to the real world...