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[paliometoxo]

Reading these posts endelessly, i realize that the Turk cyp or
cyp Turks or Turks of cyprus dont really know what they want, they want to be in europe but still keep Gc lands and call it their own, they want civil rights, and equal rights but they want to oppress the Gc, they want a federal system, but they want their own nation state, with in the federal state, why are Greek cyps even contemplating giving Tc or cT's any form of say in yprus? They were given say in 1960 and thought veto meant running the country, they signed a document they didnt actually understand...what makes the Gc think the document they sign again will be fully understood by them......We show these people that 2+2=4 and they keep coming back and saying it could be 3, this is the Turkcyp cypTurk turk mentality...

its mainly the older ones that think likehat.. and spread such hatred probably because they where alive during or before the war and feed into the turkish crap.. like american soldiers fighting a war for oil.. the turks fought the war to cause trouble and split our island in two. from the lies of the goverment.

most young tcs i meet now are all for one state one peoples and some tcs i know are going to leave cyprus this month if there is no solution.. who also hate the turks mainland turks i mean

[Acikgoz]

Mala, firstly tell me, are you looking from a Greek only perspective or from the perspective of Turks and Greeks combined?

Note1: The EU is simply a man made body with all the virtues and flaws of any human. It is not the be all and end all, so please do not constrain your outlook to the context of the EU.
Note2: The right to veto the course of EU actions without incorporating the democratic doctrine is being used by GCs to pressure for political gains. GCs are not keen on TCs having the right to veto and subjugate the universal suffrage. If democracy works then why is RoC such an active participant in the EU regarding Cyprus and Turkey in its antithesis.

Ps. Palio, its the same old nonsense and lies I can't bear to listen to.

[Get Real!]

Unfortunately historical property ownership and true title is subjective in Cyprus! If you cannot admit that then why waste my time.

Why don't you enlighten this forum with your land theories... it's a festive season after all!

[Get Real!]

Note1: The EU is simply a man made body with all the virtues and flaws of any human. It is not the be all and end all, so please do not constrain your outlook to the context of the EU.

Note2: The right to veto the course of EU actions without incorporating the democratic doctrine is being used by GCs to pressure for political gains.

Given "Note1", why are you so bothered with "Note2"?

[paliometoxo]

Mala, firstly tell me, are you looking from a Greek only perspective or from the perspective of Turks and Greeks combined?

Note1: The EU is simply a man made body with all the virtues and flaws of any human. It is not the be all and end all, so please do not constrain your outlook to the context of the EU.
Note2: The right to veto the course of EU actions without incorporating the democratic doctrine is being used by GCs to pressure for political gains. GCs are not keen on TCs having the right to veto and subjugate the universal suffrage. If democracy works then why is RoC such an active participant in the EU regarding Cyprus and Turkey in its antithesis.

Ps. Palio, its the same old nonsense and lies I can't bear to listen to.

i know the same old bs and lies coming out of the turks lies i cant bear to listen to the crap they come up with for needing two styates froom.. blah blah you dont want to hear it...

but i dont want to hear the partitionist turk lies either..

i say that but there is lots of tcs who dont feel that way and those turks i get along well with and could easily live with and even made good friends with them.. just not the ones who say cyprus is turkish and the rest of the bs they come up with

[Malapapa]

U've already made up ur mind regarding those issues u raised in ur initial post and even u judged everyone who would vote "yes" for it as "menatally deficient"... in this case, i can only let u be with ur ignorance forever which only allow u run around the same circle and go nowhere...

I'll repeat them again. Just address them one by one. Prove me wrong. Prove my ignorance:

• jeopardize hard fought freedoms secured by EU membership?
• give away their human right to properties belonging to them in the north?
• accept derogations to EU law which no other EU citizens would countenance?
• relinquish the principle of universal suffrage?
• open the door for Turkey to interfere in the domestic affairs of the whole island?
• give Turkey's military the right to intervene once more, as it did in 1974 with disastrous consequences?

[Acikgoz]

Palio, I just believe it is a false choice between:
-Greeks started it/Turks started it
-Turks were murdered/Greeks were murdered
-Greek refugees/Turkish refugees
-Turkish properties in the South/ Greek properties in the North
-etc.
The predominantly GC bs, slagging and racism is wasteful - the context and perspective are essential if we are to resolve a problem such as Cyprus.

Malap, you continue to ask for your points to be addressed, but will not say from whose perspective. To say GC point of view would undermine the purpose of your thread as you'd be shown to be self-interested, but to say from both perspectives opens you up to real situations that have arisen in the context of the Cyprus situation which would again undermine your position.

[paliometoxo]

turkey is not making the solving of the cyprus problem very easy.. infact they are making it next to impossible

[Malapapa]

Mala, firstly tell me, are you looking from a Greek only perspective or from the perspective of Turks and Greeks combined?

I don't differentiate between human beings, Acikgoz. When I refer to human rights I include all humans. We are talking about Cyprus and its people.

Note1: The EU is simply a man made body with all the virtues and flaws of any human. It is not the be all and end all, so please do not constrain your outlook to the context of the EU.

Err... OK.

Note2: The right to veto the course of EU actions without incorporating the democratic doctrine is being used by GCs to pressure for political gains.

Please expand. What are these gains? What is being asked that would not be insisted upon by any citizen of a civilised country whether in the EU or beyond?

GCs are not keen on TCs having the right to veto and subjugate the universal suffrage. If democracy works then why is RoC such an active participant in the EU regarding Cyprus and Turkey in its antithesis..

The right to subjugate the universal suffrage? What does this mean? As for veto, any country in Cyprus's position would behave in exactly the same way. Actually, some would behave a lot worse if they were bigger, more aggressive and had more powerful friends.

[Malapapa]

Malap, you continue to ask for your points to be addressed, but will not say from whose perspective. To say GC point of view would undermine the purpose of your thread as you'd be shown to be self-interested, but to say from both perspectives opens you up to real situations that have arisen in the context of the Cyprus situation which would again undermine your position.

Why don't you address the concerns all free Cypriots would have, including TCs living in the free areas or in other parts of the free world, and stop worrying about perspectives? I am coming at this from a human perspective.