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[Kikapu]

Thucydides said something poignant about the stupidity of people (like Expatkiwi) who make their minds up after hearing only one side of a story ..... and then are too stupid (like conditioned dogs) to change or modify their views according to more valid later evidence.

It takes a mature individual to admit he may have been mistaken, so don't expect juveniles like Expatkiwi to admit he was wrong ....

You have a rather selective memory, Oracle. I have admitted I was wronf on this forum. Remember I had initally stated that pre-1963 TC owenership of land was 31% of the island. (Get Real's blackmail attempt notwithstanding), I realized that only using one source to come up with that figure was incorrect. From what I can ascertain, the actual TC land percentage figure for pre-1963 lies between 18% to 25%. When I admitted that my initial figure was in error, you and quite a few others pounced on that, pointing to that to show my "unreliability", as you folk have stated.

Expat, were you not the creator of that 31% TC land ownership in Wikipedia and then turned around and used it as fact, or did I get this wrong, because I have often accused you of manipulating this figure. Was that not the reason why GR "blackmailed" you to set the record straight with Wikipedia or else.??

Now, interrogate to the same degree you apply to me. Leave no stone unturned and ask for answers backwards. Because in Switzerland, people are on the slightly backward scale of human evolution. You might just catch him. Unlike with my interrogation when you failed miserably.

You YFred were unable to clear yourself of the accusations that were made against you from your own doing by providing us a lot of circumstantial evidence, even after when I made it so easy for you to do so, you had failed miserably to clear yourself. When you do not answer question put to you, you leave others no choice but to condemn you with what you were accused with in the first place, and Expat does the same thing at times. If you are not going to answer simple questions, then stay off the forum.!

Im real true democracy, one is innocent till proven guilty. Unlike your perverted version which simply is not up to scratch. Thank goodness it has no hope of being introduced anywhere in the world.
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We are not in the court room, YFred, therefore your True Democracy on "innocent till proven guilty" has no place here. You have been found guilty by public opinion and not by court of law.! If you can’t pass Kikapu’s test, then your goose is cooked.! So far you have failed miserably.!

[Kikapu]

Expat, were you not the creator of that 31% TC land ownership in Wikipedia and then turned around and used it as fact, or did I get this wrong, because I have often accused you of manipulating this figure. Was that not the reason why GR "blackmailed" you to set the record straight with Wikipedia or else.??

What had happened was that I was creating a wikipedia page regarding the TC's claim based on percentage of land they had owned pre-1963. I had a list of URL's given to me by some of my TC contacts. I looked up the first one, and it had quoted a 31% land figure. I put that figure up (without mentioning the URL or the source). When GR looked at it, he was rather annoyed, to say the least. Rather than changing it himself (which he could have easily done) and justifying that change on the discussion page, he came at me with figures from another site and told me to change it to those figures, or he would publicize my contact details, which he got off the internet. As those contact details were for a PO Box in an LA suburb I pass through (not live in) and that the phone number was obsolete, I was more angry than scared and in response put out his blackmail note on the forum. Still, I did look at other sites and realized that the 31% was a single-source top-end figure. Most of the other TC and Turkish sites put the figure at just under 25%, while RoCy sources put it between 16 to 18%. so in the end, I ammended the Wikipedia page to reflect this information, then admitted my error to the forum.

Thank you for the explanation, Expat. You have earned some respect from me for doing that.!

[YFred]

Thucydides said something poignant about the stupidity of people (like Expatkiwi) who make their minds up after hearing only one side of a story ..... and then are too stupid (like conditioned dogs) to change or modify their views according to more valid later evidence.

It takes a mature individual to admit he may have been mistaken, so don't expect juveniles like Expatkiwi to admit he was wrong ....

You have a rather selective memory, Oracle. I have admitted I was wronf on this forum. Remember I had initally stated that pre-1963 TC owenership of land was 31% of the island. (Get Real's blackmail attempt notwithstanding), I realized that only using one source to come up with that figure was incorrect. From what I can ascertain, the actual TC land percentage figure for pre-1963 lies between 18% to 25%. When I admitted that my initial figure was in error, you and quite a few others pounced on that, pointing to that to show my "unreliability", as you folk have stated.

Expat, were you not the creator of that 31% TC land ownership in Wikipedia and then turned around and used it as fact, or did I get this wrong, because I have often accused you of manipulating this figure. Was that not the reason why GR "blackmailed" you to set the record straight with Wikipedia or else.??

Now, interrogate to the same degree you apply to me. Leave no stone unturned and ask for answers backwards. Because in Switzerland, people are on the slightly backward scale of human evolution. You might just catch him. Unlike with my interrogation when you failed miserably.

You YFred were unable to clear yourself of the accusations that were made against you from your own doing by providing us a lot of circumstantial evidence, even after when I made it so easy for you to do so, you had failed miserably to clear yourself. When you do not answer question put to you, you leave others no choice but to condemn you with what you were accused with in the first place, and Expat does the same thing at times. If you are not going to answer simple questions, then stay off the forum.!

Im real true democracy, one is innocent till proven guilty. Unlike your perverted version which simply is not up to scratch. Thank goodness it has no hope of being introduced anywhere in the world.
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We are not in the court room, YFred, therefore your True Democracy on "innocent till proven guilty" has no place here. You have been found guilty by public opinion and not by court of law.! If you can’t pass Kikapu’s test, then your goose is cooked.! So far you have failed miserably.!

Failure is obviously something you are very familiar with. Don't just repeat what I said, please try to think for yourself and be not only original, but also amusing, interesting but most of all you must reflect your belief in true democracy and true human rights. You can't just suspend them on this forum? Old boy, what?

[Expatkiwi]

Expat, were you not the creator of that 31% TC land ownership in Wikipedia and then turned around and used it as fact, or did I get this wrong, because I have often accused you of manipulating this figure. Was that not the reason why GR "blackmailed" you to set the record straight with Wikipedia or else.??

What had happened was that I was creating a wikipedia page regarding the TC's claim based on percentage of land they had owned pre-1963. I had a list of URL's given to me by some of my TC contacts. I looked up the first one, and it had quoted a 31% land figure. I put that figure up (without mentioning the URL or the source). When GR looked at it, he was rather annoyed, to say the least. Rather than changing it himself (which he could have easily done) and justifying that change on the discussion page, he came at me with figures from another site and told me to change it to those figures, or he would publicize my contact details, which he got off the internet. As those contact details were for a PO Box in an LA suburb I pass through (not live in) and that the phone number was obsolete, I was more angry than scared and in response put out his blackmail note on the forum. Still, I did look at other sites and realized that the 31% was a single-source top-end figure. Most of the other TC and Turkish sites put the figure at just under 25%, while RoCy sources put it between 16 to 18%. so in the end, I ammended the Wikipedia page to reflect this information, then admitted my error to the forum.

Thank you for the explanation, Expat. You have earned some respect from me for doing that.!

I appreciate that, Kikapu. I know that you, and others here have questioned my intelligence in my stance of supporting TRNC independence on the grounds of Turkish Cypriot self-determination, but I want to make it clear that I do have integrity, and on that basis, I have to be honest in how I approach things on this forum. Too many folk out there are confusing intelligence with integrity, and when my integrity is called into question, it's one of the few items that I have a lot of difficulty forgiving.

[Get Real!]

I know that you, and others here have questioned my intelligence in my stance of supporting TRNC independence on the grounds of Turkish Cypriot self-determination, but I want to make it clear that I do have integrity, and on that basis, I have to be honest in how I approach things on this forum. Too many folk out there are confusing intelligence with integrity, and when my integrity is called into question, it's one of the few items that I have a lot of difficulty forgiving.

Expat, I gave you the perfect opportunity to argue your “self-determination” theory you’ve been bleating about for years but you were so defeated you didn’t even bother to post anything!

In case you’ve missed it here it is again…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle32.htm

…and you’ll also find it in the forum’s CyProb somewhere.

To me you’re just an incompetent jerk wasting our time here better suited for sheep shearing and sheep shagging debates! And yes, I’m well aware that I’m being disrespectful to you but you get what you earn on this forum.

[Tony-4497]

Lots of fancy words, but not much substance there.. What exactly are you disputing? That TCs were 18% (and less today) or that they own an even lower % of land?

The latter is not from any propaganda dossier but from the Land Registry we all inherited from the Brits (one of the really good and solid things they left us). This has been challenged by Turks (EVKAV etc) at EU and international courts and stood up, so don't waste too much effort rejecting it.. anyone who knew Cyprus pre-74 will tell you that the average TC was poorer than the average GC (partly due to more children per family, hence property dilution), so it is a no-brainer that 18% TCs had slightly less % in property.

So what's your point?

Unfortunately historical property ownership and true title is subjective in Cyprus! If you cannot admit that then why waste my time.

This is exactly what a thief would say.. Unfortunately for you, there are certain things in life that are not "subjective".. and one of them is property ownership.

This reminds me of the current state of the negotiations, where Turks are stating they recognise the right to property but at the same time demand that the current user (i.e. the thief) should have the right to determine what will happen with the property!

You can dress it up with all the fancy words you want, but what you are doing is ultimately behaving like the dirty little thieves and scumbags you really are.

[Kikapu]

I appreciate that, Kikapu. I know that you, and others here have questioned my intelligence in my stance of supporting TRNC independence on the grounds of Turkish Cypriot self-determination, but I want to make it clear that I do have integrity, and on that basis, I have to be honest in how I approach things on this forum. Too many folk out there are confusing intelligence with integrity, and when my integrity is called into question, it's one of the few items that I have a lot of difficulty forgiving.

Your intelligence is the last thing I would question, Expat. It is your ill informed knowledge of the Cyprus problems that I have a lot of reservations about you.!

By you supporting the self determination of the "trnc" built on stolen land, ethnic cleansing, killings, rapes and the continuation of Human Rights violation is where you lose any integrity that you may have. Just by being honest in your feelings on how you approach the forum about the "trnc" has nothing to do with integrity, but rather knowing the differences between Right and Wrong, and once a wrong has been committed, how to rectify that wrong. That's have you can protect your integrity.!

[boomerang]

I know that you, and others here have questioned my intelligence in my stance of supporting TRNC independence on the grounds of Turkish Cypriot self-determination, but I want to make it clear that I do have integrity, and on that basis, I have to be honest in how I approach things on this forum. Too many folk out there are confusing intelligence with integrity, and when my integrity is called into question, it's one of the few items that I have a lot of difficulty forgiving.

Expat, I gave you the perfect opportunity to argue your “self-determination” theory you’ve been bleating about for years but you were so defeated you didn’t even bother to post anything!

In case you’ve missed it here it is again…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle32.htm

…and you’ll also find it in the forum’s CyProb somewhere.

To me you’re just an incompetent jerk wasting our time here better suited for sheep shearing and sheep shagging debates! And yes, I’m well aware that I’m being disrespectful to you but you get what you earn on this forum.

too many words for comical expat...try the same in cartoon form with a few crayons thrown in as an incentive and you might get a responce...

[boomerang]

I know that you, and others here have questioned my intelligence in my stance of supporting TRNC independence on the grounds of Turkish Cypriot self-determination, but I want to make it clear that I do have integrity, and on that basis, I have to be honest in how I approach things on this forum. Too many folk out there are confusing intelligence with integrity, and when my integrity is called into question, it's one of the few items that I have a lot of difficulty forgiving.

Expat, I gave you the perfect opportunity to argue your “self-determination” theory you’ve been bleating about for years but you were so defeated you didn’t even bother to post anything!

In case you’ve missed it here it is again…

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle32.htm

…and you’ll also find it in the forum’s CyProb somewhere.

To me you’re just an incompetent jerk wasting our time here better suited for sheep shearing and sheep shagging debates! And yes, I’m well aware that I’m being disrespectful to you but you get what you earn on this forum.

too many words for comical expat...try the same in cartoon form with a few crayons thrown in as an incentive and you might get a responce...

i am wondering as to why comical expat won't answer GR...but then again typical behaviour from someone screaming into an envelope thinking his is sending a voice mail...