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[Viewpoint]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

They can pend all they like it wont change the entrenched division.

[Malapapa]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

Have you any idea how long 10000 cases will take? Have guess, a million years? I reckon 5 billion years. Strangely that coincides with the end of the earth.

Between 1 November 2003 and 29 February 2004 the Court dealt with 7,315 cases... That's around 30,000 per year. And plans are underway to improve the process futher.

Also cases already judged on, eg. Loizidou serve as an important precedent for future judgements in international courts of law to hasten the process further. The end of the world may be coming sooner than you think for Turkey.

[Viewpoint]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

Have you any idea how long 10000 cases will take? Have guess, a million years? I reckon 5 billion years. Strangely that coincides with the end of the earth.

Between 1 November 2003 and 29 February 2004 the Court dealt with 7,315 cases... That's around 30,000 per year. And plans are underway to improve the process futher.

Also cases already judged on, eg. Loizidou serve as an important precedent for future judgements in international courts of law to hasten the process further. The end of the world may be coming sooner than you think for Turkey.

Push them all through it wont change the division you face today it will still be the same after you have a collection of ECHR decisions....the address for a comprehensive solution is no the courts by the TCs in the TRNC, your leader appears to have cottoned on why havent you GCs?

[Malapapa]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

They can pend all they like it wont change the entrenched division.

So here's the choice:

Compromise on hard fought human rights and freedoms on the off chance that this might change the entrenched division between free Cypriots and the average TC, as personified by Viewpoint, plus a whole bunch of Anatolian settlers thrown in for good measure. No thanks.

[Viewpoint]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

They can pend all they like it wont change the entrenched division.

So here's the choice:

Compromise on hard fought human rights and freedoms on the off chance that this might change the entrenched division between free Cypriots and the average TC, as personified by Viewpoint, plus a whole bunch of Anatolian settlers thrown in for good measure. No thanks.

Lets test your misguided thoughts about how you prejudge TCs and their desire for a solution?

Let me know what you think the TCs think about the settlers if a solution is to be found and how it will effect your human rights and freedoms?

[Malapapa]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

They can pend all they like it wont change the entrenched division.

So here's the choice:

Compromise on hard fought human rights and freedoms on the off chance that this might change the entrenched division between free Cypriots and the average TC, as personified by Viewpoint, plus a whole bunch of Anatolian settlers thrown in for good measure. No thanks.

Lets test your misguided thoughts about how you prejudge TCs and their desire for a solution?

Let me know what you think the TCs think about the settlers if a solution is to be found and how it will effect your human rights and freedoms?

Viewpoint. The settlers are all "TRNC" citizens and should all stay according to your leader Talat. As for how rights and freedoms will be affected, this was dealt with here:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27934

You didn't put my mind at rest...

[Expatkiwi]

This article appeared in Hürriyet. Now I do know that most of you think that the best use for Turkish newspapers are in the toilet (and not as reading material), but this article is worth looking at IMHO...

Crack in northern Cyprus gets deeper as Turkish side fine tunes

Thursday, December 24, 2009
FULYA ÖZERKAN
ANKARA – Hürriyet Daily News

While the Turkish side works to fine tune its Cyprus strategy before January – when the Cypriot leaders will intensify negotiations to reach a solution in 2010 – open fault lines between the government and the presidency in the north are disrupting unity.

Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister Derviş Eroğlu, accompanied by his foreign minister, held talks Thursday with Turkish officials in Ankara. But Turkish Cypriot President Mehmet Ali Talat was absent in the talks, and he immediately returned to the island after a one-day trip to Istanbul on Wednesday, without a stopover in Ankara, leading to the speculation that the Turkish Cypriot leader refused Ankara’s invitation to attend the talks with Eroğlu.

“Turkish Prime Minister Mr. [Recep Tayyip] Erdoğan had proposed a three-way meeting during consultations with Mr. Talat, who suggested it would be more useful if Erdoğan first meets with Eroğlu and then with him. There was no refusal,” said a senior Turkish Cypriot official speaking with the Hürriyet Daily News & Economic Review on the condition of anonymity.

The official said Talat would travel to Ankara in the near future for further talks and highlighted that Ankara and Nicosia were working in full harmony.

Although this was the situation with the invitation puzzle, it is no secret that there is a split between the Turkish Cypriot president and the government. After his election victory in April, the Eroğlu government backed the continuation of talks between Talat and Greek Cypriot President Dimitris Christofias but said reunification should be based on “two states” – a framework at odds with the federal model now being discussed by the Cypriot leaders.

“Discrepancies are quite normal, especially at election times,” said a senior Turkish Foreign Ministry official, referring to the upcoming presidential elections in northern Cyprus. “However, what matters is such discrepancies should not harm the main cause.”

The main cause is to find a settlement to the decades-old Cyprus dispute, which already has already complicated Turkey’s membership negotiations with the European Union. Turkey is rolling up its sleeves before the mid-April presidential elections in the north, fearing that a new hard-line Turkish Cypriot leader could make it difficult to find a solution. At present, pro-reunification Talat is representing Turkish Cypriots in negotiations with the island’s Greeks.

Britain: Bilateral disputes should not hold up EU talks

Britain is pushing hard to keep Turkish-EU talks on track. This week, in a written declaration obtained by the Daily News, London welcomed the opening of further chapters in Turkey-EU talks but said that bilateral issues should not hold up the accession process.

The declaration drew adverse reactions from the Greek Cypriot media and Greek Cypriot officials, who slammed it as a “provocative counter-declaration.” Some excerpts from the declaration are as follows:

· The accession process provides strong encouragement for political and economic reform, and it is in the EU’s strategic interest to keep up the momentum of this process on the basis of agreed principles and conditions. We therefore look forward to this momentum being maintained in 2010 and beyond.

· Furthermore, we welcome the prospect of opening accession negotiations with other candidates under the Spanish Presidency where conditions are met.

· To this end we recall the renewed consensus on enlargement, including the consolidation commitments and the importance of fair and rigorous conditionality. Candidates and potential candidates must fulfill the obligations and continue progress against the established conditions.

· Similarly we support the [EU] Commission’s Enlargement Strategy conclusion that bilateral issues should not hold up the accession process. As that conclusion sets out, bilateral disputes need to be resolved by the parties concerned, who have the responsibility to find solutions in a spirit of good neighborliness, bearing in mind the overall EU interests.

[BirKibrisli]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

Have you any idea how long 10000 cases will take? Have guess, a million years? I reckon 5 billion years. Strangely that coincides with the end of the earth.

You are a born optimist,YFred....At this global warming rate the earth will not be here in 500 years...

[YFred]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

Have you any idea how long 10000 cases will take? Have guess, a million years? I reckon 5 billion years. Strangely that coincides with the end of the earth.

You are a born optimist,YFred....At this global warming rate the earth will not be here in 500 years...

Bir you are right about my optimism, but I have a scientific background and understand global warming. Although mankind may only live on this earth for 500 more years. life itself is indestructible, and I fear greeks feel the same way, so no matter what happens, they think they will be here in 5 billion years. Which is why they are going down the courts method instead of a good political solution so we can move on.

[BirKibrisli]

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.

Meanwhile tens of thousands of property claims against Turkey will be pending at the ECHR...

Have you any idea how long 10000 cases will take? Have guess, a million years? I reckon 5 billion years. Strangely that coincides with the end of the earth.

You are a born optimist,YFred....At this global warming rate the earth will not be here in 500 years...

Bir you are right about my optimism, but I have a scientific background and understand global warming. Although mankind may only live on this earth for 500 more years. life itself is indestructible, and I fear greeks feel the same way, so no matter what happens, they think they will be here in 5 billion years. Which is why they are going down the courts method instead of a good political solution so we can move on.

I don't believe in reincarnation,YFred,but if there is one,I hope we all come back as donkeys in Cyprus...Then we can say being foolishly stubborn is in our nature...We can't change it...