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Postby DT. » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:48 am

halil wrote:X Muhtar spoken .............Davutoglu Angry .......... ERCAKICA HOPEFUL FOR THE NEW YEAR............. Vay Anam Vay :!:


Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu got angry with the Greek Cypriot Administration who announced that it would unilaterally manage to halt Turkey’s accession talks with the European Union on 6 chapters.

Mr. Davutoglu said it is disconcerting for Turkey to see such preventive attempts which do not directly derive from EU-related matters.


Turkish Foreign Minister’s statements came at a joint press in Brussels that came amid the opening of a new chapter between Turkey and the EU on the Environment.

Mr. Davutoglu laid emphasis on the fact that both Turkey and the EU member states are clearly aware of the strategic importance of improving mutual relations.

Pointing out that the EU will have to make a strategic decision soon, he said the EU will either have to focus on Turkey’s contributions by preventing unilateral declarations from hindering the accession process, or will sacrifice its strategic benefits to unnecessary political concerns and unilateral demands of one member state.

While referring to the Cyprus problem, he made evident that Turkey will continue to support the settlement in Cyprus on the basis of the United Nations parameters.

He hoped that the Turkish Side’s outstanding peace efforts will get a positive response through the establishment of lasting stability and peace in the Eastern Mediterranean.


Actually the blocked chapters were blocked in a very understandable manner. Chapters that had nothing to do with the occupation of Cypriot land or the recognition of the Government of Cyprus wer left alone such as the enviroment. (regardless if this is a painful subject for Turkey to open right now anyway due to the costs).
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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:53 am

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Tony-4497 wrote:The guy initially said Yes to the AP, then when he realised people would reject it said "No to cement the Yes"..


I don't believe it was as simple as that but, in any event, the world was very different in 2004, pre EU accession.

Tony-4497 wrote:Talat and he agree on 100% of the issues.. the whole negotiations saga is a show being put on to convince the dumb GC natives to vote for an AP lookalike..


You may be right. I hope you're wrong. And I prefer to have more faith in the natives who, even before they became full EU citizens, overwhelmingly rejected the Annan Plan. And if Christofias doesn't know the natives well, and what they will and won't accept, I've no idea how he managed to become their president.

Tony-4497 wrote:This is already clear to those who know what's going on but is becoming increasingly apparent to all - with every step they will be moving ahead, another piece of the Annan puzzle will be falling into place..


The Cypriot people will have time to scutinise what's on offer before voting on it. And if it's not in their interests to accept the plan I'm certain they will vote against it.


GCs have deep loyalty to their parties when it comes to elections, which is why AKEL and DISY have such high %s and why X is president (not to mention a few lies that helped swing thousands of votes his way e.g. reducing army service, making all the temp state employees permanent etc etc - lies TPap refused to say despite his PR team asking him to).

When it comes to voting on a solution, however, GCs vote in a different way, as can be seen from 2004 and recent polls.

And yes, I agree that GCs will ultimately be able to reject a bad solution at referendum, but if the president allows things to get THAT far, then Cyprus will pay a very high price. I fear there is a high chance of this happening, because GC politicians have a habit of overestimating their influence on people, ignoring polls etc, and assuming they will follow them like sheep.

What will serve the best interests of all involved is for X to be much more demanding than he now is at negotiations and push for a BBF plan that will be acceptable by both sides as opposed to another AP.
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Postby Mikiko » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:46 am

Negotiations will continue even if Eroglu is elected this what he said few days ago.
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Postby Mikiko » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:52 am

Tony-4497 wrote:
Say the leaflets and propaganda campaign he has announced in order to explain to the GC idiots what a great solution an Annan-type plan will be..


Are you preparing another coup by the way ? Calm Down .... you said they were clever in 2004 what makes them idiots now?
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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:29 pm

Mikiko wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:
Say the leaflets and propaganda campaign he has announced in order to explain to the GC idiots what a great solution an Annan-type plan will be..


Are you preparing another coup by the way ? Calm Down .... you said they were clever in 2004 what makes them idiots now?


Are you talking out of your backside by the way? How can you talk about coups on the basis of what I wrote? And what makes you think I am not calm?
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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:42 pm

Mikiko wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:
Say the leaflets and propaganda campaign he has announced in order to explain to the GC idiots what a great solution an Annan-type plan will be..


Are you preparing another coup by the way ? Calm Down .... you said they were clever in 2004 what makes them idiots now?


This is becoming typical behaviour in our days.. whoever disagrees with AKEL's policies or makes constructive criticism and suggestions is labelled by many as an "enemy of the state" or supporter of "coups".. sod off
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Postby Mikiko » Wed Dec 23, 2009 7:10 pm

Tony-4497 wrote:
Mikiko wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:
Say the leaflets and propaganda campaign he has announced in order to explain to the GC idiots what a great solution an Annan-type plan will be..


Are you preparing another coup by the way ? Calm Down .... you said they were clever in 2004 what makes them idiots now?


Are you talking out of your backside by the way? How can you talk about coups on the basis of what I wrote? And what makes you think I am not calm?


You called all the GCs as idiots this is what you have posted above . If you dont agree with him who gives a shit ? ....
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Postby Malapapa » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:15 pm

Mikiko wrote:Negotiations will continue even if Eroglu is elected this what he said few days ago.


Of course they will. And what difference does it make whether "negotiations" are conducted by Sooty or Sweep?


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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:38 am

Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.
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Postby YFred » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:42 am

Viewpoint wrote:Eroğlu wont even turn up or the meetings will be something like once every 6 months where he will have tea and return to the TRNC with no progress.

VP is that going to be Turkish Tea or Greek tea. Perhaps they can have a couple of years to decide which, then when they finish that they can go on to the nasty business of Greeks pinching the name Hellim in the EU. I suspect that will take a couple of hundred years.
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