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[DT.]

the international community also have the duty to safeguard peace, protect international law and human rights.

Doesn't President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian have a duty to stop stating the bleeding obvious?

NO MP, seems they need F reminding, because they are just taking the piss where Turkey are concerned.

Good for him to keep stressing that.

They need reminding that Cyprus has waited patiently for many decades for the international community to fulfill its duties in relation to Cyprus, eg. by imposing trade sanctions on Turkey. In the absence of this, they need reminding that Cyprus, now a full EU member, has a duty to act in its own national interest, to secure human rights for its citizens, using all means currently at its disposal, including the provision of generous financial assistance to citizens wishing to pursue justice through the relevant courts.


An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

So now you want to bankrupt the EU? You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU.

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

If you want legal aid, look to your own government. Surely they have a moral duty to support you in what must be, to you and them, an open and shut case.

Thanks, but thats not what I asked. You said

You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU

And I asked

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

[Malapapa]

the international community also have the duty to safeguard peace, protect international law and human rights.

Doesn't President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian have a duty to stop stating the bleeding obvious?

NO MP, seems they need F reminding, because they are just taking the piss where Turkey are concerned.

Good for him to keep stressing that.

They need reminding that Cyprus has waited patiently for many decades for the international community to fulfill its duties in relation to Cyprus, eg. by imposing trade sanctions on Turkey. In the absence of this, they need reminding that Cyprus, now a full EU member, has a duty to act in its own national interest, to secure human rights for its citizens, using all means currently at its disposal, including the provision of generous financial assistance to citizens wishing to pursue justice through the relevant courts.


An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

So now you want to bankrupt the EU?

What are you talking about? Generous financial assistance from the government of the RoC; although if EU funds can be properly redirected to such a worthy cause then all well and good. Thanks for the suggestion which will no doubt be considered.

You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU.

You're talking out of your hat vaughan. But, in any event, no EU member state can be expected to act against its own national interests and Cyprus is no exception.

[vaughanwilliams]

the international community also have the duty to safeguard peace, protect international law and human rights.

Doesn't President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian have a duty to stop stating the bleeding obvious?

NO MP, seems they need F reminding, because they are just taking the piss where Turkey are concerned.

Good for him to keep stressing that.

They need reminding that Cyprus has waited patiently for many decades for the international community to fulfill its duties in relation to Cyprus, eg. by imposing trade sanctions on Turkey. In the absence of this, they need reminding that Cyprus, now a full EU member, has a duty to act in its own national interest, to secure human rights for its citizens, using all means currently at its disposal, including the provision of generous financial assistance to citizens wishing to pursue justice through the relevant courts.


An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

So now you want to bankrupt the EU? You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU.

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

If you want legal aid, look to your own government. Surely they have a moral duty to support you in what must be, to you and them, an open and shut case.

Thanks, but thats not what I asked. You said

You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU

And I asked

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

[Malapapa]

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action.

Who suggested the EU bankroll the legal action? (BTW, it's a great suggestion!)

Is the suspension of the acquis communautaire in the north of Cyprus a legal or a political problem, vaughan?

They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I think a case could be made for EU funds earmarked for developing the north of Cyprus to be spent in this way.

[YFred]

the international community also have the duty to safeguard peace, protect international law and human rights.

Doesn't President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian have a duty to stop stating the bleeding obvious?

NO MP, seems they need F reminding, because they are just taking the piss where Turkey are concerned.

Good for him to keep stressing that.

They need reminding that Cyprus has waited patiently for many decades for the international community to fulfill its duties in relation to Cyprus, eg. by imposing trade sanctions on Turkey. In the absence of this, they need reminding that Cyprus, now a full EU member, has a duty to act in its own national interest, to secure human rights for its citizens, using all means currently at its disposal, including the provision of generous financial assistance to citizens wishing to pursue justice through the relevant courts.


An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Winston Churchill

So now you want to bankrupt the EU? You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU.

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

If you want legal aid, look to your own government. Surely they have a moral duty to support you in what must be, to you and them, an open and shut case.

Thanks, but thats not what I asked. You said

You have already been told by the EU that the CyProb needs a political solution and not a legal one, and one that is for the UN to resolve, not the EU

And I asked

Which body of the EU said that we should not pursue legal action?

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I can answer that. No they do not get it. They actually believe that they can persue 180000 cases in the european courts. Well I reckon that will take about 5 billion years. Perhaps we can start up a new problem of how we are going to live on another planet. OMG, I can't go on any more.

[Malapapa]

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I can answer that. No they do not get it. They actually believe that they can persue 180000 cases in the european courts. Well I reckon that will take about 5 billion years. Perhaps we can start up a new problem of how we are going to live on another planet. OMG, I can't go on any more.

This only goes to show the sheer scale of the human rights violations that have taken place in Cyprus.

Is this an argument for preventing any of these EU citizens from pursuing justice through the relevant courts, assuming the individuals concerned (or their descendents) are not satisfied with the (so far non-existent) political solution on offer to them?

Answer me that YFred, or please feel free to go live on another planet, though make sure its existing inhabitants are not forceably displaced, as you'll be asking for trouble later on in the relevant interplanetary courts.

[Mikiko]

I think we have a president! and he is not this one!

[YFred]

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I can answer that. No they do not get it. They actually believe that they can persue 180000 cases in the european courts. Well I reckon that will take about 5 billion years. Perhaps we can start up a new problem of how we are going to live on another planet. OMG, I can't go on any more.

This only goes to show the sheer scale of the human rights violations that have taken place in Cyprus.

Is this an argument for preventing any of these EU citizens from pursuing justice through the relevant courts, assuming the individuals concerned (or their descendents) are not satisfied with the (so far non-existent) political solution on offer to them?

Answer me that YFred, or please feel free to go live on another planet, though make sure its existing inhabitants are not forceably displaced, as you'll be asking for trouble later on in the relevant interplanetary courts.

If you must insist on walking to the moon, please continue.

[Malapapa]

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I can answer that. No they do not get it. They actually believe that they can persue 180000 cases in the european courts. Well I reckon that will take about 5 billion years. Perhaps we can start up a new problem of how we are going to live on another planet. OMG, I can't go on any more.

This only goes to show the sheer scale of the human rights violations that have taken place in Cyprus.

Is this an argument for preventing any of these EU citizens from pursuing justice through the relevant courts, assuming the individuals concerned (or their descendents) are not satisfied with the (so far non-existent) political solution on offer to them?

Answer me that YFred, or please feel free to go live on another planet, though make sure its existing inhabitants are not forceably displaced, as you'll be asking for trouble later on in the relevant interplanetary courts.

If you must insist on walking to the moon, please continue.

What kind of answer is that? I'm not walking anywhere.

I'm asking you to explain why people shouldn't pursue their individual human rights in the courts, if they so wish, given that, after so many decades of injustice, no acceptable political settlement is in sight. Because there are too many victims? Because it's all a little too big, a little too inconvenient for the EU - not to mention Turkey?


To paraphrase Joseph Goebbels:
"If you commit a crime big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to accept it."

Is this what you're advocating, YFred?

[YFred]

If the EU tells you that the solution to your your problem is a political one and not a legal one then, by implication, they are telling you that they won't bankroll your legal action. They may not have told you not to pursue it, just that you will be doing it without them. Geddit?

I can answer that. No they do not get it. They actually believe that they can persue 180000 cases in the european courts. Well I reckon that will take about 5 billion years. Perhaps we can start up a new problem of how we are going to live on another planet. OMG, I can't go on any more.

This only goes to show the sheer scale of the human rights violations that have taken place in Cyprus.

Is this an argument for preventing any of these EU citizens from pursuing justice through the relevant courts, assuming the individuals concerned (or their descendents) are not satisfied with the (so far non-existent) political solution on offer to them?

Answer me that YFred, or please feel free to go live on another planet, though make sure its existing inhabitants are not forceably displaced, as you'll be asking for trouble later on in the relevant interplanetary courts.

If you must insist on walking to the moon, please continue.

What kind of answer is that? I'm not walking anywhere.

I'm asking you to explain why people shouldn't pursue their individual human rights in the courts, if they so wish, given that, after so many decades of injustice, no acceptable political settlement is in sight. Because there are too many victims? Because it's all a little too big, a little too inconvenient for the EU - not to mention Turkey?


To paraphrase Joseph Goebbels:
"If you commit a crime big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to accept it."

Is this what you're advocating, YFred?

No I am not. It is what you are advocating which is impossible to achieve. What you really want is everybody to their homes. You cover it very well with fancy talk about rights but that is what you and the rest of the patriots are after. As it is as impossible to achieve as walking to the moon, I wasn't really being that unreasonable, I can assure you. You have more chance of achieving that than everyone to their homes.
When you GCs wake up and realize that in a political settlement you will have winners and losers from both sides, the majority will be happy but to expect everyone to be happy is rally pissing in the wind, but what ever you do do not piss on a flag pole with the Turkish flag on it for your health and safety.