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[denizaksulu]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

Yeh right, South London probably

[denizaksulu]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

There will be no partition. So, put away your plans to tear apart the rest of Cyprus.

I hope the big one hears you Oracle. I said I want to be your neighbour and I mean it.Now what part of the UK did you say you live in?

[Kikapu]

Irrelevant Tim... one way or another this problem must be solved... it harms all concerned parties... the fact is that, for the solution of Cyprus problem; we will never accept minority status... so, if the solution is partition of this small continent; let it be...

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Insan, I'm just curious. What needs to happen for the TCs, for them NOT to be a minority in Cyprus. The TCs can't escape being a numerical minority, but what needs to happen in your view for them to be seen as "equal majority" with the GCs. What examples can you give us where your views are put in practice in other countries where a numerical ethnic minority is seen as a "equal ethnic majority" with the numerical ethnic majority of that country. Other than everyone being all equal citizens in Cyprus as the case is in all other True Democratic countries, show us how your views will work in a Unified Cyprus under one citizenship and one identity, say like in Switzerland where all 4 different Swiss ethnicities are not seen as majority or a minority, but rather all equal Swiss citizens even when the percentages of the ethnic groups range from 1%, 10%, 20% and 69% respectively.

With 2 states, north and south under BBF where the TCs will be the majority in the north if enough land is returned back to the GCs where the north and south states will be able to form their own state laws in compliance with the Federal Laws, does this not make the TCs as "equal majority" in a Unified Cyprus.? What more needs to be done Insan, because I can assure you that in Switzerland not all the 4 ethnic groups have equal representatives in the Federal Government but rather there are equal representatives in the government from each Canton (equal representatives from the 20 "Full Cantons" and only half the representatives from the remaining 6 "Half Cantons").? Same can be the case in Cyprus where there will be equal representatives from each state as being "Full States" despite the number of people living in those states as not being equal in size, but not necessarily equal representatives from each ethnic groups in the Federal Government just as the case is in Switzerland and the USA, and despite not having equal numbers from each ethnic groups, they are all equal citizens “equal majority” regardless, despite there being numerical minorities.

If certain ethnic groups do not claim extra privileges or protections from the Federal Government because of being a numerical minorities, then they will not be seen as ethnic minorities as the case is in Switzerland. If the TCs do not ask for extra privileges and protections, they too will not be seen as minorities but as “equal majority” with the numerical majority. I want to hear from you why the Swiss model will not be acceptable to the TCs without Cyprus becoming a Confederated states since the north does not belong to the TCs and the south does not belong to the GCs exclusively as the Annan Plan tried to do with it's Undemocratic, Racist, Human Rights and International law violation, but rather become a Federated states as BBF calls for to ensure that everyone's rights are protected and that partition will not take place in the future but instead all Cypriots will work towards making their country of Cyprus their home without majority and minority labels given, as the case is in Switzerland.!

[DT.]

"I will repeat what I said in the past. The Turkish community is a victim of treason by the Turkish government. The Turkish-Cypriots are not victims of the Cypriot government or the Greek-Cypriots. Everybody should know that partition has been the desire and proposal of the colonialists..."

Ihsan Ali, Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation
28 Sept. 1965

[Tim Drayton]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

Yeh right, South London probably

South of the river? That is not a fate I would wish on anybody.

[insan]

"I will repeat what I said in the past. The Turkish community is a victim of treason by the Turkish government. The Turkish-Cypriots are not victims of the Cypriot government or the Greek-Cypriots. Everybody should know that partition has been the desire and proposal of the colonialists..."

Ihsan Ali, Cyprus Broadcasting Corporation
28 Sept. 1965

Yeah... TCs demanded the cession of Cyprus back to Turkey when Brits unilaterally declared the annexation of Cyprus with Britain...

Partition has been one of the option for TCs and all concerned parties against the Enosis and majority rule demands of Greeks and GCs.

GCs owe the legitimacy of RoC to Greeks especially to Junta who allowed substantial American fascilities to be deployed in Greece and in return gained an adventegous position against especially Turks...

What imperialist desire was a reconciled Greek-Turk duo as 2 stable allies of West of course... it didn't matter whether Cyprus would be partitioned or not, as long as stability of Nato and it's activities in the region maintained...

[denizaksulu]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

Yeh right, South London probably

South of the river? That is not a fate I would wish on anybody.

erm excuse me? I consider myself as living south of the river. On the estuary to be precise. Not IN London though, thank God.

[Tim Drayton]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

Yeh right, South London probably

South of the river? That is not a fate I would wish on anybody.

erm excuse me? I consider myself as living south of the river. On the estuary to be precise. Not IN London though, thank God.

As long as it is not in London ... or Surrey.

[insan]

Irrelevant Tim... one way or another this problem must be solved... it harms all concerned parties... the fact is that, for the solution of Cyprus problem; we will never accept minority status... so, if the solution is partition of this small continent; let it be...

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Insan, I'm just curious. What needs to happen for the TCs, for them NOT to be a minority in Cyprus. The TCs can't escape being a numerical minority, but what needs to happen in your view for them to be seen as "equal majority" with the GCs. What examples can you give us where your views are put in practice in other countries where a numerical ethnic minority is seen as a "equal ethnic majority" with the numerical ethnic majority of that country. Other than everyone being all equal citizens in Cyprus as the case is in all other True Democratic countries, show us how your views will work in a Unified Cyprus under one citizenship and one identity, say like in Switzerland where all 4 different Swiss ethnicities are not seen as majority or a minority, but rather all equal Swiss citizens even when the percentages of the ethnic groups range from 1%, 10%, 20% and 69% respectively.

With 2 states, north and south under BBF where the TCs will be the majority in the north if enough land is returned back to the GCs where the north and south states will be able to form their own state laws in compliance with the Federal Laws, does this not make the TCs as "equal majority" in a Unified Cyprus.? What more needs to be done Insan, because I can assure you that in Switzerland not all the 4 ethnic groups have equal representatives in the Federal Government but rather there are equal representatives in the government from each Canton (equal representatives from the 20 "Full Cantons" and only half the representatives from the remaining 6 "Half Cantons").? Same can be the case in Cyprus where there will be equal representatives from each state as being "Full States" despite the number of people living in those states as not being equal in size, but not necessarily equal representatives from each ethnic groups in the Federal Government just as the case is in Switzerland and the USA, and despite not having equal numbers from each ethnic groups, they are all equal citizens “equal majority” regardless, despite there being numerical minorities.

If certain ethnic groups do not claim extra privileges or protections from the Federal Government because of being a numerical minorities, then they will not be seen as ethnic minorities as the case is in Switzerland. If the TCs do not ask for extra privileges and protections, they too will not be seen as minorities but as “equal majority” with the numerical majority. I want to hear from you why the Swiss model will not be acceptable to the TCs without Cyprus becoming a Confederated states since the north does not belong to the TCs and the south does not belong to the GCs exclusively as the Annan Plan tried to do with it's Undemocratic, Racist, Human Rights and International law violation, but rather become a Federated states as BBF calls for to ensure that everyone's rights are protected and that partition will not take place in the future but instead all Cypriots will work towards making their country of Cyprus their home without majority and minority labels given, as the case is in Switzerland.!

Kikapu, every multi-ethnic country has it's own model of governance and democracy born from their own circumstances...

We too had our own unique governance model based on consociational democracy which was destroyed in 1963 for various reasons justifiable... and to me, the main reason of collapse of RoC in 1963 was due to illiteracy of the leadership of both sides that were right winged and dominant...

Had the leadership and dominant political power been left-wing under the then circumstances, the RoC wouldn't even have been established due to cold war circumstances...

The "political equality" I'm talking about is the one take place in releveant UN resolutions... even my view on "political equality" is more advanced than the UN one that suggests granting exactly the same political equality to GC citizens of TC constituent state of RoC, besides rotating mayorship...

As for land ownership, everyone will put on the table whatever relevant documents they have, take into account the viability of the lands, amount of restituted lands and properties and negotiate to determine the land ownership of each ethnic group in Cyprus... it has nothing to do giving more land back and taking this or that...

In 1990 a major development was an initiative by the Secretary-General to provide a more elaborate definition of the concept of bi-zonality in his 8 March 1990 report to the Council. In it he also raised the concept of political equality. (The report was subsequently endorsed by the Council in resolution 716 of 11 October 1991.) It said:

“The political equality of the two communities in and the bi-communal nature of the federation need to be acknowledged. While political equality does not mean equal numerical participation in all federal government branches and administration, it should be reflected inter alia in various ways: in the requirement that the federal constitution of the State of Cyprus be approved or amended with the concurrence of both communities; in the effective participation of both communities in all organs and decisions of the federal Government in safeguards to ensure that the federal Government will not be empowered to adopt any measures against the interests of one community; and in the equality and identical powers and functions of the two federated States.” “The bi-zonality of the federation should be clearly brought out by the fact that each federated State will be administered by one community which will be firmly guaranteed a clear majority of the population and of the land ownership in its area.” (S/21183, Annex I)

4.3 . Bi-zonality and political equality revisited

In 1992, Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali introduced a new “Set of Ideas” for a draft settlement, further expanding the previous concepts and proposing a secular, bi-zonal, bi-communal federal republic composed of two politically equal states, to be submitted to both communities for referendum (S/23780). The plan defined the relationship between Greek and Turkish Cypriots as not one of majority and minority, but rather one of two communities in the state of Cyprus. The concept of political equality picked up the idea endorsed by the Council in resolution 716. Bi-zonality would be reflected in the fact that each state in the federation would exercise jurisdiction over a clear majority of the population and of land ownership in its area. The plan included a description of the powers and functions of the federal government, and provided for the demilitarisation of the island and the upholding of the treaty of guarantee and of alliance. The plan did not include measures on territorial adjustment or displaced persons. The Council endorsed the plan in resolution 750 of 10 April 1992. However, the 1992 talks were not successful.

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[insan]

After the partition, Cypriots still can reside under the rule of any state of Cyprus they wish...

Get lost foreign invader. Don't move a single pebble.

Go and tear your own country to pieces. This land is my land. Not yours. Fuck off.

I'm moving to South before official, permenant partition. Maybe right after the new year, I'll be living in South....

Yeh right, South London probably

No. South Cyprus.