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Postby cannedmoose » Sat Jul 16, 2005 9:57 pm

Hi folks, could anyone direct me to any good resources on the net that discuss the purpose and history of the National Council? Trying to find something without much luck so far. If it's in english, all the better.

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Re: National Council

Postby Kifeas » Sun Jul 17, 2005 2:53 pm

cannedmoose wrote:Hi folks, could anyone direct me to any good resources on the net that discuss the purpose and history of the National Council? Trying to find something without much luck so far. If it's in english, all the better.

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Which country's national council are you reffering to?
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Re: National Council

Postby cannedmoose » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:31 pm

Kifeas wrote:
cannedmoose wrote:Hi folks, could anyone direct me to any good resources on the net that discuss the purpose and history of the National Council? Trying to find something without much luck so far. If it's in english, all the better.

Thanks,

Moose


Which country's national council are you reffering to?


Isn't it obvious re? RoC naturally.
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Re: National Council

Postby Kifeas » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:55 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
Kifeas wrote:
cannedmoose wrote:Hi folks, could anyone direct me to any good resources on the net that discuss the purpose and history of the National Council? Trying to find something without much luck so far. If it's in english, all the better.

Thanks,

Moose


Which country's national council are you reffering to?


Isn't it obvious re? RoC naturally.


Why obvious? Isn't the area of your interest (research,) the Republic of Turkey?

Never the less!
The National Council is an advisory board to the president of the RoC on issues relating to the Cyprus problem. The president is not constitutionally or legally obliged to follow its opinion. Usually, if there is a majority of opinion on one issue, the president takes that into very serious consideration. The council, if I am not mistaken, was founded by Makarios after 1974, in order to achieve consensus in the way of handling the Cyprus problem. The leaders of the all the political parties that achieve parliamentary election are represented in it, plus all the government figureheads that their mission relates to the Cyprus issue, such as the foreign minister, attorney general, etc.
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Re: National Council

Postby cannedmoose » Sun Jul 17, 2005 3:59 pm

Kifeas wrote:Why obvious? Isn't the area of your interest (research,) the Republic of Turkey?

Never the less!
The National Council is an advisory board to the president of the RoC on issues relating to the Cyprus problem. The president is not constitutionally or legally obliged to follow its opinion. Usually, if there is a majority of opinion in one issue, the president takes that into very serious consideration. The council, if I am not mistaken, was founded by Makarios after 1974, in order to achieve consensus in the way of handling the Cyprus problem. The leaders of the all the political parties that achieve parliamentary election are represented in it, plus all the government figureheads that their mission relates to the Cyprus issue, such as the foreign minister, attorney general, etc.


Thanks Kifeas, to correct you my focus isn't Turkey, it is Cyprus... Turkey is the post-doc priority! Apologies therefore if I was not clear initially.

As for the RoC NC, I'm already aware of its composition and role, what I was looking for is some evidence of its historical role in forming RoC policy on the Cyprob and if there's ever been an instance of there being public disagreement within the NC ranks (which somehow I doubt would have made it into the public domain). I can't find any articles written on the NC, so I'm bowing to your native wisdom in the hope that someone is aware of something out there.
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Re: National Council

Postby Kifeas » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:12 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Why obvious? Isn't the area of your interest (research,) the Republic of Turkey?

Never the less!
The National Council is an advisory board to the president of the RoC on issues relating to the Cyprus problem. The president is not constitutionally or legally obliged to follow its opinion. Usually, if there is a majority of opinion in one issue, the president takes that into very serious consideration. The council, if I am not mistaken, was founded by Makarios after 1974, in order to achieve consensus in the way of handling the Cyprus problem. The leaders of the all the political parties that achieve parliamentary election are represented in it, plus all the government figureheads that their mission relates to the Cyprus issue, such as the foreign minister, attorney general, etc.


Thanks Kifeas, to correct you my focus isn't Turkey, it is Cyprus... Turkey is the post-doc priority! Apologies therefore if I was not clear initially.

As for the RoC NC, I'm already aware of its composition and role, what I was looking for is some evidence of its historical role in forming RoC policy on the Cyprob and if there's ever been an instance of there being public disagreement within the NC ranks (which somehow I doubt would have made it into the public domain). I can't find any articles written on the NC, so I'm bowing to your native wisdom in the hope that someone is aware of something out there.


There are always disagreements within the council, usually by some smaller, more "radical" parties such as Koutsou New Horizons, greens party etc, and in the past by parties such as Diko and Edek.

However, it has always played a role in the formulation of the GC sides policy on the Cyprus issue and this was usually along the lines of Akel and Disy approach, which has always been that of a solution on the basis of BBF and respect of all Cypriots human rights and for negotiations under the auspices of the UN. The only exception is the last period of Klerides presidency, in which at times he refrained from calling up timely meetings or did not inform (update) the other leaders promptly, or did not completely follow the formulated majority opinion in practice although in theory he insisted he was doing so. This has been an on going issue of discontent against Klerides by the rest of the political parties, except Disy.
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Postby cannedmoose » Sun Jul 17, 2005 4:55 pm

Thanks Kifeas... I'd assume though that differences within the council rarely express themselves in open public disagreement, for fear of breaking the united front that the NC is supposed to represent in terms of the Cyprob?
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Re: National Council

Postby Alexandros Lordos » Sun Jul 17, 2005 5:00 pm

cannedmoose wrote:
Kifeas wrote:Why obvious? Isn't the area of your interest (research,) the Republic of Turkey?

Never the less!
The National Council is an advisory board to the president of the RoC on issues relating to the Cyprus problem. The president is not constitutionally or legally obliged to follow its opinion. Usually, if there is a majority of opinion in one issue, the president takes that into very serious consideration. The council, if I am not mistaken, was founded by Makarios after 1974, in order to achieve consensus in the way of handling the Cyprus problem. The leaders of the all the political parties that achieve parliamentary election are represented in it, plus all the government figureheads that their mission relates to the Cyprus issue, such as the foreign minister, attorney general, etc.


Thanks Kifeas, to correct you my focus isn't Turkey, it is Cyprus... Turkey is the post-doc priority! Apologies therefore if I was not clear initially.

As for the RoC NC, I'm already aware of its composition and role, what I was looking for is some evidence of its historical role in forming RoC policy on the Cyprob and if there's ever been an instance of there being public disagreement within the NC ranks (which somehow I doubt would have made it into the public domain). I can't find any articles written on the NC, so I'm bowing to your native wisdom in the hope that someone is aware of something out there.


Cannedmoose, you should try to find Claire Palley's recent book - "An International Relations Debacle: The UN Secretary General's mission of Good Offices to Cyprus 1999-2004". It has all sorts of inside information into how GC negotiating policy is formed, including the role of the national council.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jul 17, 2005 6:13 pm

Thanks Kifeas... I'd assume though that differences within the council rarely express themselves in open public disagreement, for fear of breaking the united front that the NC is supposed to represent in terms of the Cyprob?

No, there are always "leaks" probably from those that are intentionally trying to brake the front because they disagree with the majority.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Mon Jul 18, 2005 8:56 pm

OK I also need some information.When Klerides was president there were so many leaks from the National Council to the Press the man really raged and stopped calling it at meetings for a while. He then tricked the participants by giving them a confidential document however each document he delivered was different by only one word. The next day the document was in the Press. Checking on the tricky word Klerides discovered who was leaking the information to the press.
Well what I want to know is who was leaking the documents of the NC to the press, did anyone of you hear anything?
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