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[BirKibrisli]

Bir, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Turkey recognising the government of the RoC between 1963 and 1974, and if so, this is the government that Turkey should have strived to replace after the coup of '74 with the TCs returning to their posts in the government, because despite the 13 point proposals by Makarios, they had not been changed. But no doubt, Denktash was never going to accept Turkey supporting the reinstatement of the RoC government with or without the TC element, or else Küçük and Denktash would not have refuse the request made by Inönü for them to go back to the government after the 1963 problems. The response from the duo was, “they would rather move to Turkey than go back to the RoC government”.!

I think there was de facto recognition,Kikapu...Turkey had her ambassador in the Turkish Cypriot enclave in Nicosia,so officially did not recognise the RoC government as legitimate...If Turkey wanted the TCs to return to the Republic i doubt that Denktas or Kuchuk could have resisted for long...On the surface at least,this gives credibility to GC claims that Turkey had other ideas for Cyprus,put into her head by the British and the USA no doubt...

[Viewpoint]

Bir do you now understand why the majority of Tcs do not trust Gcs their phoney belief of democracy and human rights for all is insincere and Tcs can see right through their this facade, their true agenda is to gain total control of the whole island and force us into minortiy status. This we TCs know we will never allow ot happen only thing is the GCs dont realize this fact.

[BirKibrisli]

... Why did everyone,especially Turkey and the RoC government turned a blind eye to the plight of the TCs,and sat back and watched them leave the island in their 10s of thousands....

Fantasies, BirKibrisli, fantasies!

Here are the population numbers of TCs which show that the number of TCs did not go down in the mid 60's as most TCs would like to portray (i.e to blame the RoC) ...




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Delusions,Oracle,delusions...
Don't try to dispute what I personally lived through with a miserable graph of dubious origin...On my ship to Australia in 1969 there were no less than 60 TCs,joining thousands of those who had departed before us...
I personally met hundreds of TC who had left after the 63 events,within a few short years of arriving in Australia...I tell you things that I've lived through as I know and remember them...Your denial to accept them as the truth does not change their validity one iota...

[Oracle]

... Why did everyone,especially Turkey and the RoC government turned a blind eye to the plight of the TCs,and sat back and watched them leave the island in their 10s of thousands....

Fantasies, BirKibrisli, fantasies!

Here are the population numbers of TCs which show that the number of TCs did not go down in the mid 60's as most TCs would like to portray (i.e to blame the RoC) ...




From: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 24&start=0

Delusions,Oracle,delusions...
Don't try to dispute what I personally lived through with a miserable graph of dubious origin...On my ship to Australia in 1969 there were no less than 60 TCs,joining thousands of those who had departed before us...
I personally met hundreds of TC who had left after the 63 events,within a few short years of arriving in Australia...I tell you things that I've lived through as I know and remember them...Your denial to accept them as the truth does not change their validity one iota...

Your exaggerations are reaching astronomical proportions.

Show me the data which proves what you claim, that significantly more TCs left, for non-economic reasons, than GCs!!!!!

You deny actual statistics and then you blow your own personal observations from tens to thousands!

How can we take your stories seriously?

[BirKibrisli]

... Why did everyone,especially Turkey and the RoC government turned a blind eye to the plight of the TCs,and sat back and watched them leave the island in their 10s of thousands....

Fantasies, BirKibrisli, fantasies!

Here are the population numbers of TCs which show that the number of TCs did not go down in the mid 60's as most TCs would like to portray (i.e to blame the RoC) ...




From: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 24&start=0

I dare you to produce rear by year population of TCs between 1963 and 1974. You are one crazy woman.

You do it! Since you are the ones making absurd claims against all the evidence. All the data shows there are no significant differences between 1960 and ~1990. Sure there were some economic migrants. But, the significant differences (about 20% drop) came after that period ... coinciding with Turkey's push to change the demographics by colonisation.

That is a very interesting graph showing population movements. And there was me thinking you were a scientist, more like scientologist if you ask me.

Go on, idiot. Find the year by year population statistics which prove your point or shut up if you are unable to digest actual evidence which contradicts you and BirKibrisli.

Oracle,from my immidiate family alone : 3 of my father's sisters and their families migrated to England even before I left Cyprus in 1969...sorry i dont have a graphic to prove it...If you dont believe me,there is no hope for us ever having a meaningful conversation about this...And let me tell you,my family's economic situation was far beter than the average TC family's...What does that tell you???

[Oracle]

... Why did everyone,especially Turkey and the RoC government turned a blind eye to the plight of the TCs,and sat back and watched them leave the island in their 10s of thousands....

Fantasies, BirKibrisli, fantasies!

Here are the population numbers of TCs which show that the number of TCs did not go down in the mid 60's as most TCs would like to portray (i.e to blame the RoC) ...




From: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 24&start=0

I dare you to produce rear by year population of TCs between 1963 and 1974. You are one crazy woman.

You do it! Since you are the ones making absurd claims against all the evidence. All the data shows there are no significant differences between 1960 and ~1990. Sure there were some economic migrants. But, the significant differences (about 20% drop) came after that period ... coinciding with Turkey's push to change the demographics by colonisation.

That is a very interesting graph showing population movements. And there was me thinking you were a scientist, more like scientologist if you ask me.

Go on, idiot. Find the year by year population statistics which prove your point or shut up if you are unable to digest actual evidence which contradicts you and BirKibrisli.

Oracle,from my immidiate family alone : 3 of my father's sisters and their families migrated to England even before I left Cyprus in 1969...sorry i dont have a graphic to prove it...If you dont believe me,there is no hope for us ever having a meaningful conversation about this...And let me tell you,my family's economic situation was far beter than the average TC family's...What does that tell you???

I didn't say I don't believe you that some TCs (as also some GCs) left in the 60's. What I am asking you to do is prove your claim/insinuation/accusation that 10s of thousands of TCs were driven out by the RoC for political expediency!

Because Bir, the numbers suggest otherwise. And unless you can come up with reliable statistics which contradict the graph, then I'm afraid your assumptions are worthless.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir do you now understand why the majority of Tcs do not trust Gcs their phoney belief of democracy and human rights for all is insincere and Tcs can see right through their this facade, their true agenda is to gain total control of the whole island and force us into minortiy status. This we TCs know we will never allow ot happen only thing is the GCs dont realize this fact.

I think they are in denial,VP...Or else it suits them to pretend they don't know...Democracy and human rights are fine when people are certain their rights would be respected...People who cannot even acknowledge that TCs have lived for 11 long years with the fear of loosing their lives, cannot be trusted to run a Banana Republic let alone a fully functioning democracy....

[Oracle]

Stop being absurd and find some evidence!

[Viewpoint]

The GCs have this despot approch to everything, they think they are right on every matter and that the legal high ground will give them all the wish for, after 4 years of the EU they are still no closer to a solution and cannot see that even the EU will not give them the solution they long for. Its the TCs they have convince of their genuine intations which to me are just not materializing, we have to be careful not to capitulate to the demands that will place our people in danger at the mercy of GCs, felling the way you do in a foreign land.

[BirKibrisli]

... Why did everyone,especially Turkey and the RoC government turned a blind eye to the plight of the TCs,and sat back and watched them leave the island in their 10s of thousands....

Fantasies, BirKibrisli, fantasies!

Here are the population numbers of TCs which show that the number of TCs did not go down in the mid 60's as most TCs would like to portray (i.e to blame the RoC) ...




From: http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... 24&start=0

I dare you to produce rear by year population of TCs between 1963 and 1974. You are one crazy woman.

You do it! Since you are the ones making absurd claims against all the evidence. All the data shows there are no significant differences between 1960 and ~1990. Sure there were some economic migrants. But, the significant differences (about 20% drop) came after that period ... coinciding with Turkey's push to change the demographics by colonisation.

That is a very interesting graph showing population movements. And there was me thinking you were a scientist, more like scientologist if you ask me.

Go on, idiot. Find the year by year population statistics which prove your point or shut up if you are unable to digest actual evidence which contradicts you and BirKibrisli.

Oracle,from my immidiate family alone : 3 of my father's sisters and their families migrated to England even before I left Cyprus in 1969...sorry i dont have a graphic to prove it...If you dont believe me,there is no hope for us ever having a meaningful conversation about this...And let me tell you,my family's economic situation was far beter than the average TC family's...What does that tell you???

I didn't say I don't believe you that some TCs (as also some GCs) left in the 60's. What I am asking you to do is prove your claim/insinuation/accusation that 10s of thousands of TCs were driven out by the RoC for political expediency!

Because Bir, the numbers suggest otherwise. And unless you can come up with reliable statistics which contradict the graph, then I'm afraid your assumptions are worthless.

I dont know of any data or statistic on the movement of the TCs between 1963-74...I only have my eyes and my ears...Most TCs migrated to England those days...If on one ship going to Australia for the month of MARCH IN 1969 THERE WERE NO LESS THAN 60 tcS YOU TELL ME WHAT THAT TELLS YOU...