denizaksulu wrote:insan wrote:denizaksulu wrote:insan wrote:denizaksulu wrote:After the restitution of the legal RoC goverment in 1974, Turkey became an 'Occupying' Power in Cyprus. That was their only legal basis for their 'Peace Op/Intervention'. Nothing else to say.
So, right after the restitution of the so-called legal RoC government in 1974; Turkey would leave, EOKA-B still threaten with waging a guerilla warfare, irregulars/people run behind taking revenge of their killed/died beloveds... and Deniz would watch all these from London?
Can someone plz tell me step by step what exactly should Turkey do after supposedly restitution of the so-called legal RoC government?
There must be a lot of things i'm missing i suppose...
They could offer the RoC there support to supress any revolt by the revolting EOKA B. These are all hypothetical ofcourse.
They could have stopped in their tracks and see what the RoC intentions were. If they took action against the EOKA B, thats fine. If not, then that would e a different matter.
Insan, I am talking of the legal reason why Turkey went in and then staying on and after the 'cause for intervention being eliminated' they continued to become an 'occupying force'.
Deniz, these were all talked in Vienna by then the foreign ministers of Turkey and Greece...
Turkey asked the withdrawal of Greek forces and irregulars from around Turkish villages some withdrawal demands of Turkey were accepted by Greece but when it came to withdrawal of irregualrs of EOKA-B; Mavros said he couldn't do anything abt it bcz EOKA-B was not under his control... so, under whose control was EOKA-B still fearlessly threatening the regular Greek army and Makarios...
Despite the fall of junta, installation of Klerides as the new president of so-called RoC and even return of Makarios; the great political turbulent and uncertainity of what would happen in South and Greece had continued for several years...
Makarios returned Cyprus by accepting the pre-conditions of EOKA-B and in 1977 an amnsety was issued by the so-called RoC parliament for EOKA-B, then in 1978 it was disbanded.
Insan, dont ever assume I know nufink, ok. I am aware of all the failed negotiations.It still remains as a fact that Turkey has stayed on Cyprus as an 'Occupying Force'.. Its odd that you mention Turkey and Greece, but it should have been the Cypriots who should have played the right cards and avoid the situation we are in now. But then it was Turkeys intention to stay anyway so whatever we are arguing about is pointless.
While Turkey was on the ground on Cyprus, she was in a position of ensuring that EOKA B was dealt with, way before they spread out to occupy what they have now. On my preious post I did not mean to say that Turkey removed its forces immediately, but ONLY after satisfactory steps were taken by the RoC to establish itself as the force majeur among the Cypriots and to ensure the safety of its Turkish Cypriot population wherever necessary. I know this was not the case, but forced Partition is out of order too. That is my opinion. Take it or leave it.
Deniz, I've never assumed or implied that u knw nothing abt the negotiations took place between the guarantors and leaders of 2 communities right after the events of 1974...
Guarantors generally negotiated abt the issues directly related with them and leaders of 2 communities negotiated abt the issues related themselves...
Under the hostile circimstances of 1974 that also fed by all previous hostile actions of Greeks and Turks besides GCs and TCs and taking into account that minimum what we were demnading was the political equality but overwhelming majority of GCs and Greeks were against political equality of 2 communities; it was impossible for Turkey to restore the constitution as satisfactory to both sides...
Let's say if Turkish troops stopped advancing after the fall of junta and installation of Klerides; at least 4 more years would have been needed for only the political turbulents in GC community and Greece to cease and during this time especially TC community would have been in an uncertain sitution fearing abt it's future and life...
Under such uncertain, hostile circumstances TCs and Turkey had not even just a minute to lose for further justification of the continuation of it's military intervention...
U say, "While Turkey was on the ground on Cyprus, she was in a position of ensuring that EOKA B was dealt with, way before they spread out to occupy what they have now."
Turkey faced a big surprise when Turkish troops faced with an unexpected, fierce counter assault form Greek-GC forces and that's why they had too much casualties in the first days of military intervention...
In my opinion, even this surprise counter assault by Greek-GC forces had caused Turkish troops to change the way of military operation and make them come harsher to put a full stop to this bloody conflict...
I'd wish Makarios-Denktash talks be fruitful at the end of 1971 and events of 1974 never happened.. and noone displaced, TC refugees returned... but all or nothing stance of Makarios and Makariosites besides Enosis desire of a group of GCs and Greek didn't let it happen...
... let me tell u something... until TCs accept minority status or international community recognize TRNC, this problem won't be solved... Had there been no coup, no military intervention of Turkey, settlers etc.; the situation would have been the same... The leaders and guarantors would have been still talking abt to solve the Cyprus problem, of course under such circumstances that would last 35 years i think just a few thousands of TCs would have remained in Cyprus...
Of course, Turkey would not let this happen...
Now u may say half of the TCs emigrated during the last 35 years and what has changed... In my opinion, this is mainly because of unfair isolations which directly affect our life standards and even democratic development in TRNC...
If u r economically strong, u have the strength to struggle against the evil in ur own nation... however, defeating the evil in my own nation, does not mean I will accept minority status in Cyprus...
I was a fierce supporter of BBF based on political equality with no anti-democratic restrictions
as long as the vital interests of 2 nations of Cyprus and it's minorities not harmed or abused... u can find my proposal in "Solution proposals" section to read...
My proposal was evaluated by Alexandros Lordos as a noble one has many noble merits...
... anyway... for a long while, i don't believe anymore that Cyprus would be reunited with a solution plan acceptable to majority of 2 nations of Cyprus...
Next round of talks will be based on partition of Cyprus bcz accepting minority status in Cyprus have zero possibility in my opinion... and i believe after the failure of ongoing talks, there will be nothing to talk abt but partition of Cyprus...
... and these r my views and opinions... u can take it or leave it...
