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Turkey: occupier or liberator?

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Postby YFred » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:30 pm

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Tim Drayton wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Folks, can we please get back to my question: Did Turkey sign any military treaties with the TRNC, or did they just decide to stay, ignoring the TRNC government?


This, in my view is a sincere and valid question. It is odd that none of the partitionists out there have cared to venture an answer.

It's one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard! :roll:

Turkey herself invented the "TRNC" a decade after she ethnically cleansed this territory, and you two are now asking Turkey to get permission from her installed puppets? :lol:

It's very good of you to recognize it old chap. What level of dumbness is it compared to yours?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 20, 2009 5:35 pm

YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Folks, can we please get back to my question: Did Turkey sign any military treaties with the TRNC, or did they just decide to stay, ignoring the TRNC government?


This, in my view is a sincere and valid question. It is odd that none of the partitionists out there have cared to venture an answer.

It's one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard! :roll:

Turkey herself invented the "TRNC" a decade after she ethnically cleansed this territory, and you two are now asking Turkey to get permission from her installed puppets? :lol:

It's very good of you to recognize it old chap. What level of dumbness is it compared to yours?

If only you made sense you’d border on the “clever” but alas… :lol:
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Postby YFred » Sun Dec 20, 2009 8:45 pm

Get Real! wrote:
YFred wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:Folks, can we please get back to my question: Did Turkey sign any military treaties with the TRNC, or did they just decide to stay, ignoring the TRNC government?


This, in my view is a sincere and valid question. It is odd that none of the partitionists out there have cared to venture an answer.

It's one of the dumbest questions I've ever heard! :roll:

Turkey herself invented the "TRNC" a decade after she ethnically cleansed this territory, and you two are now asking Turkey to get permission from her installed puppets? :lol:

It's very good of you to recognize it old chap. What level of dumbness is it compared to yours?

If only you made sense you’d border on the “clever” but alas… :lol:

Did you mean to say ka and run out of breath.

Mavron Lamoman je straobeljin banosu.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:37 pm

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Anyway... There is already an international treaty that signed by all concerned parties which legally allows Turkish troops to stay in Cyprus.. the excessive number of Turkish troops in TRNC arise from the defacto situation; unresolved Cyprus problem...

There r laws and regulations in TRNC constitution related with Turkish troops...

Under the ongoing, unchanged defacto situation, there's no need for TRNC and Turkey to sign any other military treaties...

Since 1974, TC-Turkish officials reiterated for thousands of times that only the mutually accepted number of Turkish troops would stay in Cyprus after a comprehensive solution found to the Cyprus problem...

Hope it helps, Expat... and anti-partitionist Tim... :wink:


Insan, Turkey not signing any military Treaty of Alliance, or a Status of Forces Agreement with a government it obstensively recognizes as sovereign gives credence to the argument that the TRNC is a puppet state under tacit Turkish military rule. TRNC's utter reliance on Turkey for its links to the outside world, and for underwriting its economy also doesn't help its sovereignty claim either. I know that the current geopolitical situation forces TRNC to rely on Turkey, but if its at the cost of undermining the TRNC's raison d'existance, then it might as well annex itself to Turkey.

I support TRNC because I believe that it is the surest way to preserve the Turkish Cypriot populace, and its culture. If however Turkey is not being mindful of this, then its current overt military presence and Anatolian migration policy is going to do the TRNC far more harm than good, which puts the TRNC between the rock and a hard place in every sense of the word. If Turkey is an ally of TRNC, then let Turkey conduct itself like an ally: as a protector power mindful of the government of the territory it is in.
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Postby AmericanGC » Sun Dec 20, 2009 9:49 pm

Definition of military occupy : march aggressively into another's territory by military force for the purposes of conquest and occupation; Example: Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939"
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:02 pm

AmericanGC wrote:Definition of military occupy : march aggressively into another's territory by military force for the purposes of conquest and occupation; Example: Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939"


No, no. We've already established that Hitler intervened in Poland to liberate German speakers, who were being mistreated by the majority Poles.
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Postby insan » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:06 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
insan wrote:
Anyway... There is already an international treaty that signed by all concerned parties which legally allows Turkish troops to stay in Cyprus.. the excessive number of Turkish troops in TRNC arise from the defacto situation; unresolved Cyprus problem...

There r laws and regulations in TRNC constitution related with Turkish troops...

Under the ongoing, unchanged defacto situation, there's no need for TRNC and Turkey to sign any other military treaties...

Since 1974, TC-Turkish officials reiterated for thousands of times that only the mutually accepted number of Turkish troops would stay in Cyprus after a comprehensive solution found to the Cyprus problem...

Hope it helps, Expat... and anti-partitionist Tim... :wink:


Insan, Turkey not signing any military Treaty of Alliance, or a Status of Forces Agreement with a government it obstensively recognizes as sovereign gives credence to the argument that the TRNC is a puppet state under tacit Turkish military rule. TRNC's utter reliance on Turkey for its links to the outside world, and for underwriting its economy also doesn't help its sovereignty claim either. I know that the current geopolitical situation forces TRNC to rely on Turkey, but if its at the cost of undermining the TRNC's raison d'existance, then it might as well annex itself to Turkey.

I support TRNC because I believe that it is the surest way to preserve the Turkish Cypriot populace, and its culture. If however Turkey is not being mindful of this, then its current overt military presence and Anatolian migration policy is going to do the TRNC far more harm than good, which puts the TRNC between the rock and a hard place in every sense of the word. If Turkey is an ally of TRNC, then let Turkey conduct itself like an ally: as a protector power mindful of the government of the territory it is in.


I agree with u expat but things r very complicated in Cyprus especially for TRNC and Turkey who changed it's 27th government since 1974 beside take into account the domestic problems of Turkey u will see that every Turkish government had abt 1.1 years to make plans abt Cyprus and maintain it...

In this geo-political location with a historical background like ours(TCs and Turks); things r not easy... there r hundreds of internal and external self-interested poltical groups and even countries that try to pull/destablise Turkey, TRNC and their people in direction of their interests..

When u add these the incapability, illiteracy, self-interested attitudes of TRNC politicians things move very slowly and insufficiently...

There r lots of thing to be done but under such cicimstances and such politicians; u can't expect too much in a very short time...
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 20, 2009 10:36 pm

AmericanGC wrote:Definition of military occupy : march aggressively into another's territory by military force for the purposes of conquest and occupation; Example: Hitler invaded Poland on September 1, 1939"

What about the US's invasion & occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan? :?

In future, don’t be an idiot and cry “wolf” over Turkey while praising the war criminal Americans, unless you enjoy looking like an idiot!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus27595-80.html
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:50 pm

Get Real! wrote:In future, don’t be an idiot and cry “wolf” over Turkey while praising the war criminal Americans, unless you enjoy looking like an idiot!


Hey! America is the bastion of freedom and democracy, and works to ensure world peace.
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Postby YFred » Sun Dec 20, 2009 11:51 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Get Real! wrote:In future, don’t be an idiot and cry “wolf” over Turkey while praising the war criminal Americans, unless you enjoy looking like an idiot!


Hey! America is the bastion of freedom and democracy, and works to ensure world peace.

Surely you mean a piece of everything? No?
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