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[Kikapu]

Kifeas you are so wrong. Turkey has no imperative need for anything. She is not going anywhere for the next 10 years. She has a lot more things to do before the cyprus problem becomes an issue for her, and even that depends on who is in government. If a pro military government comes to power they will not even want to join eu. Do you know how out of touch you are with reality?

Really YFred, really??? I am out of touch with reality, YFred? Really? You know better than Davutoglu, Gul and Erdogan; who keep saying all the time that “the EU is a strategic goal for Turkey?” Really, YFred, really? You know better than the Turkish government itself, what are Turkey’s interests, needs and desires? Do some reading, YFred, instead of spending all of your time farting “kahvehane” type of nonsense in the forums!

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=347780

Will you guys quit thinking that you are going to use the EU against Turkey to get what you want. EU would not allow you to that any way. Grow up the lot of you.

Really YFred, really??? And what will the EU do, to stop us from exercising our veto rights against Turkey's EU accession? Will it cut us the salaries, the water and the electricity, like Turkey will do to you whenever it wishes to push you into the direction it wants? What will the EU do, YFred? Will it bomb us with atomic or nuclear weapons, so that we allow Turkey to become a member of the EU? What, YFred? C'mon, tell us?

As Turkey will not be considered for entry for 10 years or more, what difference does it make who says what now. Do you not see that Turkey has plenty of time where as the Cyprus problem has no time at all.
Who from the current crop of politicians will be there when Turkey joins the eu in 10 years time.
You just don't get it my friend.

Longer Turkey drags her feet to comply with the EU's demands for her to become a EU member and also solve the Cyprus problem, the more risk Turkey is taking by other nations becoming a EU members before her that may also not want Turkey in the club, such a Serbia perhaps, so NO, Turkey does not have time on her side if she is really serious about becoming a member. At the present rate, Armenia will become a EU member before Turkey does which will really cook Turkey's goose. Is the northern part of Cyprus really that important for Turkey rather than a EU membership. No matter when it may come for Turkey to be a EU member, just remember that her road to EU membership runs right trough the RoC, and if you want to convince yourself otherwise, then you are not facing realities of life but rather a chicken running around aimlessly with it's head cut off, or like an deluded idiot in thinking that what ever Turkey wants on it's own terms is what Turkey will get when ever she wants it.!

[YFred]

Kifeas you are so wrong. Turkey has no imperative need for anything. She is not going anywhere for the next 10 years. She has a lot more things to do before the cyprus problem becomes an issue for her, and even that depends on who is in government. If a pro military government comes to power they will not even want to join eu. Do you know how out of touch you are with reality?

Really YFred, really??? I am out of touch with reality, YFred? Really? You know better than Davutoglu, Gul and Erdogan; who keep saying all the time that “the EU is a strategic goal for Turkey?” Really, YFred, really? You know better than the Turkish government itself, what are Turkey’s interests, needs and desires? Do some reading, YFred, instead of spending all of your time farting “kahvehane” type of nonsense in the forums!

http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=347780

Will you guys quit thinking that you are going to use the EU against Turkey to get what you want. EU would not allow you to that any way. Grow up the lot of you.

Really YFred, really??? And what will the EU do, to stop us from exercising our veto rights against Turkey's EU accession? Will it cut us the salaries, the water and the electricity, like Turkey will do to you whenever it wishes to push you into the direction it wants? What will the EU do, YFred? Will it bomb us with atomic or nuclear weapons, so that we allow Turkey to become a member of the EU? What, YFred? C'mon, tell us?

As Turkey will not be considered for entry for 10 years or more, what difference does it make who says what now. Do you not see that Turkey has plenty of time where as the Cyprus problem has no time at all.
Who from the current crop of politicians will be there when Turkey joins the eu in 10 years time.
You just don't get it my friend.

Longer Turkey drags her feet to comply with the EU's demands for her to become a EU member and also solve the Cyprus problem, the more risk Turkey is taking by other nations becoming a EU members before her that may also not want Turkey in the club, such a Serbia perhaps, so NO, Turkey does not have time on her side if she is really serious about becoming a member. At the present rate, Armenia will become a EU member before Turkey does which will really cook Turkey's goose. Is the northern part of Cyprus really that important for Turkey rather than a EU membership. No matter when it may come for Turkey to be a EU member, just remember that her road to EU membership runs right trough the RoC, and if you want to convince yourself otherwise, then you are not facing realities of life but rather a chicken running around aimlessly with it's head cut off, or like an deluded idiot in thinking that what ever Turkey wants on it's own terms is what Turkey will get when ever she wants it.!

Which bit do you find difficult to comprehend. They are going to negotiate for 10 to 15 years. Who else gets in in the meantime is not relevent to their negotiation.
You are missing the point about TRNC. To some powerful elements in Turkey it is a national cause and will not be sucrificed for any price. They are very powerful people. Stop deluding yourself and get holsd of reality.
We kept hearing December 4 deadline. Well it has come and it has gone. There will be plenty more.

[Malapapa]

You are missing the point about TRNC. To some powerful elements in Turkey it is a national cause and will not be sucrificed for any price. They are very powerful people.

If that's the case, and I've no reason to doubt you, why would Cypriots free from the grip of these "powerful elements", hurry up and agree to a solution legitimising their hold on the north - as you keep insisting?

And, more than that, enables these "powerful elements" to interfere in the running of Cyprus as a whole? Are you their representative?

We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight in the European Parliament, we shall fight at the European summits, we shall fight at the ECHR and at the ECJ, we shall use the veto; we shall never surrender.
Winston Churchill

[Kikapu]

Over time the GC youth believing a 2 state solution is the only way to resolve this will increase...all we TCs have to do is be patient and with together with Turkey to achieve our ulitimate goal in the face of GC despot arrogance and continued support of the status quo.

First of all, youth know very little about politics, let alone what a Federation is. You VP is a perfect example of this and you are an adult, where you get your Federations and Confederations all mixed up and even then, you do not apply Democracy and Human Rights into the running of these form of Governments. If you do not know how these institutions run, I do not expect the youth to know either when they have more urgent things to do, like looking at naked pictures of girls and boys. I believe this is a made up poll and the fact that majority of the youth in the north are illegal aliens (settlers) and not TCs, makes the results of this poll invalid even if such a poll did take place. After all, the only way the illegal aliens are going to be able to remain in Cyprus and keep the GCs properties is through a 2 states equalling 2 independent countries , so what else would you expect these "TC" youths to say if that is all they are hearing at home from their parents and the Fascists. Such polls are meaningless except to give the NeoPartitionist an orgasmic thrills that they are closer to an agreed partition or recognition.!

This poll, if true, was more than likely performed by our in-house con-artists, Runaway and Expatkiwi.!

The whole post is riddled with sexual inuendos revealing yet again what a pervert you really are...

Says the "white trash" of the north who has used the "C" word more than any other person here on the forum, who uses the words "Bum Chums" frequently and the excessive use of the term" ass licking" that you have no doubt learned in the school playgrounds in the UK as we all did, but most of us have grown out of using those terms long ago, except for the "white trash" people like yourself who has not gotten themselves refined in how to express themselves without resorting to in using those terms long after leaving the school's playground.. !!

are you calling the youth of Cyprus idiots?

I didn't say it, you did. The youth repeat what they hear from their parents and the NeoPartitonist, so in their minds they think they know what they are talking about without having the ability to decide for themselves. Another casualty to having a Corrupted Society in the north where everything is imposed on the people by their Fascist leaders as the case was with Denktash for 30+ years. Look how you turned out with only 17 years in the north as an adult when you yourself claimed that you had a different view when you first came to Cyprus than your present views as a Racist Fascist NeoPartitonist. What chance do the youth have in the hands of people like you living in a Corrupted Society where you can't differentiate between rights and wrongs. I rest my case.!

They are fully aware what a state solution is and makeing us live together being a federation...they are telling you that they prefer to be apart

When they get their own country that they own all the land that does not belong to anyone else, than they can do what ever the hell they like, but until that time comes, they don't know what the hell they are talking about and neither do you.

...another 50 years and the older generation will have died out then agreed partition will be a reality

I guess that's your plan "B", is it.? Is this the so called "we have alternatives" coming from the north's leaders is all about.? In 50 years time all the TCs will be removed from the north one way or another, so it will be 100% between Turkey and the RoC, much like it is today really, only officially. In the end, Turkey will do what it is in the best interest of Turkey and her people and being in the EU is where she wants to be. With all the TCs out of the way, it will be "Mission Accomplished" for her to cut a deal with the RoC by return of the land in the north back to the RoC, hence Cyprus becoming a "Greek" Island, so keep doing what you are doing in poisoning the minds of the youth with your NeoPartitonist dreams of delusions rather than a workable Federated states with Full Democracy , Human Rights and respect for International Laws and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" mentality all you Fascist NeoPartitonist have, because what the GCs haven't been able to do in the last 400 years to make the island "Greek", Turkey will do it for them in exchange for becoming a EU member at the expense of the remaining TCs.

...tick tock.

Sounds like your brain is hearing noises again. Best that you call your "Midnight Cowboy" psychiatrist friend of yours to give you an evaluation, just like you two were giving my posts an evaluation at midnight Sunday nights.!

[Kikapu]

Which bit do you find difficult to comprehend.

No offence, but, most of your posts are hard to comprehend.

They are going to negotiate for 10 to 15 years. Who else gets in in the meantime is not relevent to their negotiation.

Oh really, you are saying that more countries that does not want Turkey in the EU who become EU members with their Veto Power is no threat to Turkey, because the EU will not allow to keep Turkey out. May I remind you, that the EU is the countries that make up the membership, so what the hell are you talking about that it will not make any difference.!

You are missing the point about TRNC. To some powerful elements in Turkey it is a national cause and will not be sucrificed for any price. They are very powerful people. Stop deluding yourself and get holsd of reality.

You are right, I'm not able to comprehend the above at all. Perhaps it is one of your "special posts" that requires Einstein to read it to understand what it really means and not common people like me.

We kept hearing December 4 deadline. Well it has come and it has gone. There will be plenty more.

So how can Turkey get to where she wants to go with the EU if she can't even open of close any chapters, just because the RoC put a hold onto it. At this rate, forget 10-15 years for Turkey to become a member, because I heard these same figures already 10 years ago and that was before Cyprus was a EU member, she will never become a member until she changes course. Her only other option is to get the "trnc" into the EU in some solution like the Annan partition Plan to hold the EU into a ransom to let Turkey in with all her faults, much like what all you guys accuse what Greece did with the EU over the RoC. Forget it, it will never happen. I guess the next alternative will be for Turkey to take over the whole island of Cyprus militarily and claim being the supreme leader of all Cypriots and to represent them in the EU, so that she can then try to blackmail the EU into letting her in without first reforming their country. I think that one will have as much chance of happening as you writing posts that are comprehensible.!

[runaway]

We kept hearing December 4 deadline. Well it has come and it has gone. There will be plenty more.

Yes the famous bloody deadline set by O.rospu. south cypriot vessels are still banned and let me see... today is December 23.

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Kikapu

Says the "white trash" of the north who has used the "C" word more than any other person here on the forum, who uses the words "Bum Chums" frequently and the excessive use of the term" ass licking" that you have no doubt learned in the school playgrounds in the UK as we all did, but most of us have grown out of using those terms long ago, except for the "white trash" people like yourself who has not gotten themselves refined in how to express themselves without resorting to in using those terms long after leaving the school's playground.. !!

Two totally different issues stop trying to be clever because you are not and people can see right through you and how you link issues with sexual inuendos of the worst kind revealing your inner perverted mindset.

I didn't say it, you did. The youth repeat what they hear from their parents and the NeoPartitonist, so in their minds they think they know what they are talking about without having the ability to decide for themselves. Another casualty to having a Corrupted Society in the north where everything is imposed on the people by their Fascist leaders as the case was with Denktash for 30+ years. Look how you turned out with only 17 years in the north as an adult when you yourself claimed that you had a different view when you first came to Cyprus than your present views as a Racist Fascist NeoPartitonist. What chance do the youth have in the hands of people like you living in a Corrupted Society where you can't differentiate between rights and wrongs. I rest my case.!

The youth in the north dont give a shit about a solution and they are free to travel all over the world giving them a better vision than ever, this year we have had a record number of students go to the UK for their studies. They can make up their own minds as they are free to meet GCs face to face and read through many media outlets about the difference between federation and 2 state....they obviously put accross the feeling of not wanting to live together more strongly after taking a slap in the face for support the AP and what they thought was the solution. Even the most harden supporters of unification have turned the other cheek and dont give a damn about unification as they realize that it will never happen so they prefer to concentrate on what to wear or which car to drive or who to date just like any other youth all over the world.

As for my opinions changing after I came to reside in the TRNC, you are damn right after meeting GCs and going through the AP I realized there is no hope for a solution and that in time everyone will understand that the chasm is just to wide to bridge and that agrees partition is the only real solution available. the youth are a clear sign that I am right and that tide has turned forever.

When they get their own country that they own all the land that does not belong to anyone else, than they can do what ever the hell they like, but until that time comes, they don't know what the hell they are talking about and neither do you.

We have our own country, one where you have no say....recognition will come as long as you GCs continue your current mindset.

I guess that's your plan "B", is it.? Is this the so called "we have alternatives" coming from the north's leaders is all about.? In 50 years time all the TCs will be removed from the north one way or another, so it will be 100% between Turkey and the RoC, much like it is today really, only officially. In the end, Turkey will do what it is in the best interest of Turkey and her people and being in the EU is where she wants to be. With all the TCs out of the way, it will be "Mission Accomplished" for her to cut a deal with the RoC by return of the land in the north back to the RoC, hence Cyprus becoming a "Greek" Island, so keep doing what you are doing in poisoning the minds of the youth with your NeoPartitonist dreams of delusions rather than a workable Federated states with Full Democracy , Human Rights and respect for International Laws and not the "Pirates of the Mediterranean" mentality all you Fascist NeoPartitonist have, because what the GCs haven't been able to do in the last 400 years to make the island "Greek", Turkey will do it for them in exchange for becoming a EU member at the expense of the remaining TCs.

With as you claim the TCs assimilated into the new generation TCs and reaching a population of over 1 million do you really think you will be able to send all these people "back"? They will be your new compatriots with whom you will have to negotiate a deal, in 50 years time you and the EU if still in existence will the ones begging for agreed partition, you are just to stupid to see what will be the result if your continued arrogance and intrangience.

Sounds like your brain is hearing noises again. Best that you call your "Midnight Cowboy" psychiatrist friend of yours to give you an evaluation, just like you two were giving my posts an evaluation at midnight Sunday nights.!

In the TRNC summer nights are very long and people sit out on their balconies with friends till the late hours, so the above statement only shows how stupid you are and how you will try to use every little piece of information twist it and throw it back trying to be scarcastic the lowest form of intelligence which really bodes well with the character you purvey and this forum.

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Duplication

[Expatkiwi]

Its just so easy to solve this problem! In return for acceptance of the TRNC by RoCY, TRNC will (a) reduce the territory it holds from 37% to 25%, (b) Turkey will reduce its armed forces and renounce any future claims on the island, (c) TRNC will commit itself never to annex itself to Turkey (d) grant the unrestricted right of RoCy citizens to the north of the city of Nicosia, (e) resolve any outstanding GC claims on territory whilst at the same time abandoning all TC claims on territory in the RoCy, (e) all embassies in RoCy be cross-accredited to TRNC and vice-versa. And we can all live happily ever after.

[B25]

Its just so easy to solve this problem! In return for acceptance of the TRNC by RoCY, TRNC will (a) reduce the territory it holds from 37% to 25%, (b) Turkey will reduce its armed forces and renounce any future claims on the island, (c) TRNC will commit itself never to annex itself to Turkey (d) grant the unrestricted right of RoCy citizens to the north of the city of Nicosia, (e) resolve any outstanding GC claims on territory whilst at the same time abandoning all TC claims on territory in the RoCy, (e) all embassies in RoCy be cross-accredited to TRNC and vice-versa. And we can all live happily ever after.

Dean, just who is 'WE' in this statement??

Now you are one of them??? A turk????

And who are you to be offering solutions, it is because of people like you that we have this mess, kind go back to your cartoons boy and keep your nose out.

Cheers