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Misuse of USA-Weapons by Turkey to kill GCs ....

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Postby Expatkiwi » Sat Dec 19, 2009 6:50 am

Oracle wrote:Turkey accused of violating human rights in Cyprus

Cyprus Greeks have resumed court procedure in Columbia district court, USA against Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus demanding material and moral compensation of $1trillion, Turkish CNN Turk reported. A Greek lawyer Ahtan Chimbidis submitted the claim on behalf of Greeks with US citizenship. The claim defines that the Turkish have violated human rights in 1974 in Cyprus using American weapons. It’s worth reminding that in 1974 Turkish 43 thousand troops invaded 40% of the island. Currently only Ankara has recognized the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2009/12/18/cnn-turk/


Realpolitik will ensure that this case gets thrown out, I think. Such a case would set a major international precedent if it was indeed proved.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:35 pm

Oracle wrote:Turkey accused of violating human rights in Cyprus

Cyprus Greeks have resumed court procedure in Columbia district court, USA against Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus demanding material and moral compensation of $1trillion, Turkish CNN Turk reported. A Greek lawyer Ahtan Chimbidis submitted the claim on behalf of Greeks with US citizenship. The claim defines that the Turkish have violated human rights in 1974 in Cyprus using American weapons. It’s worth reminding that in 1974 Turkish 43 thousand troops invaded 40% of the island. Currently only Ankara has recognized the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2009/12/18/cnn-turk/


Turkey's 2008 GDP was around 700 Billion US Dollars.!

2009 GDP is likely to be much lower.!

Talk about "Breaking the Bank" if this case is won.!

Turkey will be issuing "IOU's" to the north from then on.!

Can Turkey correct her past demons.?

If not, "Death by 1000 Cuts" may become Turkey's destiny.!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:42 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Oracle wrote:Turkey accused of violating human rights in Cyprus

Cyprus Greeks have resumed court procedure in Columbia district court, USA against Turkey and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus demanding material and moral compensation of $1trillion, Turkish CNN Turk reported. A Greek lawyer Ahtan Chimbidis submitted the claim on behalf of Greeks with US citizenship. The claim defines that the Turkish have violated human rights in 1974 in Cyprus using American weapons. It’s worth reminding that in 1974 Turkish 43 thousand troops invaded 40% of the island. Currently only Ankara has recognized the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.


http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2009/12/18/cnn-turk/


Turkey's 2008 GDP was around 700 Billion US Dollars.!

2009 GDP is likely to be much lower.!

Talk about "Breaking the Bank" if this case is won.!

Turkey will be issuing "IOU's" to the north from then on.!

Can Turkey correct her past demons.?

If not, "Death by 1000 Cuts" may become Turkey's destiny.!

So these guys are on the verge of owning Turkey and will also want $300b change? :lol:
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Postby paliometoxo » Sat Dec 19, 2009 7:39 pm

even if turkey is taken to court even if they lsoe and have to pay money they wont.. no one is there to enforce the ruling no one will make them pay up.. that amount of money the trnc will go bankrupt turkey wont have money to send to them and they would be screwed turkey wont let that happen.. either wont turn up to court or wont pay up after.. thats assuming it goes to trial AND ALSO ASSUMING that they lose
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Postby Malapapa » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:01 pm

paliometoxo wrote:even if turkey is taken to court even if they lsoe and have to pay money they wont.. no one is there to enforce the ruling no one will make them pay up.. that amount of money the trnc will go bankrupt turkey wont have money to send to them and they would be screwed turkey wont let that happen.. either wont turn up to court or wont pay up after.. thats assuming it goes to trial AND ALSO ASSUMING that they lose


At the very least all their US assets will be frozen... No one is expecting Turkey to do the right thing, in Cyprus or in associated court cases, but what's important is that the world, including the USA, is left in no doubt as to Turkey's credentials as a rogue state, on a par with say neighbours Iran.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:34 am

Malapapa wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:even if turkey is taken to court even if they lsoe and have to pay money they wont.. no one is there to enforce the ruling no one will make them pay up.. that amount of money the trnc will go bankrupt turkey wont have money to send to them and they would be screwed turkey wont let that happen.. either wont turn up to court or wont pay up after.. thats assuming it goes to trial AND ALSO ASSUMING that they lose


At the very least all their US assets will be frozen... No one is expecting Turkey to do the right thing, in Cyprus or in associated court cases, but what's important is that the world, including the USA, is left in no doubt as to Turkey's credentials as a rogue state, on a par with say neighbours Iran.


That's a bit off, Malapapa; even for you. Iran is a theocratic dictatorship that is trying to make nukes. Turkey is a secular state NOT trying to make nukes.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Dec 20, 2009 2:50 am

Expatkiwi wrote:Iran is a theocratic dictatorship that is trying to make nukes. Turkey is a secular state NOT trying to make nukes.

So those trying to make nukes are "rogue states" eh? :?

So what would that make the countries that already have nukes?
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Postby Malapapa » Sun Dec 20, 2009 3:04 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:even if turkey is taken to court even if they lsoe and have to pay money they wont.. no one is there to enforce the ruling no one will make them pay up.. that amount of money the trnc will go bankrupt turkey wont have money to send to them and they would be screwed turkey wont let that happen.. either wont turn up to court or wont pay up after.. thats assuming it goes to trial AND ALSO ASSUMING that they lose


At the very least all their US assets will be frozen... No one is expecting Turkey to do the right thing, in Cyprus or in associated court cases, but what's important is that the world, including the USA, is left in no doubt as to Turkey's credentials as a rogue state, on a par with say neighbours Iran.


That's a bit off, Malapapa; even for you. Iran is a theocratic dictatorship that is trying to make nukes. Turkey is a secular state NOT trying to make nukes.


A state sued for hundreds of billions for severe human rights violations over 35 years is a rogue by any definition.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:06 am

Expatkiwi wrote:
Malapapa wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:even if turkey is taken to court even if they lsoe and have to pay money they wont.. no one is there to enforce the ruling no one will make them pay up.. that amount of money the trnc will go bankrupt turkey wont have money to send to them and they would be screwed turkey wont let that happen.. either wont turn up to court or wont pay up after.. thats assuming it goes to trial AND ALSO ASSUMING that they lose


At the very least all their US assets will be frozen... No one is expecting Turkey to do the right thing, in Cyprus or in associated court cases, but what's important is that the world, including the USA, is left in no doubt as to Turkey's credentials as a rogue state, on a par with say neighbours Iran.


That's a bit off, Malapapa; even for you. Iran is a theocratic dictatorship that is trying to make nukes. Turkey is a secular state NOT trying to make nukes.


Iran does not currently occupy another sovereign state against international law like Turkey does, so purely from an international legal perspective, Turkey is more of a rogue state than Iran is, although personally, I believe both are on par!
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Postby Oracle » Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:54 am

Some facts about the sale of weapons ....


In modern warfare 90% of war casualties are civilians, 80% of who are women and children, a century ago 90% of war casualties were military personnel.

Total global military expenditure and trade in arms is $840 Billion dollars annually, the largest spending in the world. This is some 14 times more than it is estimated is needed to eradicate poverty from the world. Many struggling developing countries like India, South Africa, Turkey and others simply can’t afford to be buying arms.

The largest importing region for arms remains the Middle East, which accounts for three quarters of the world’s arms trade (in particular Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, UAE and Egypt), followed by East Asia with the fastest growth in South Korea, China, Indonesia, Singapore and Japan.


The US arms transfer determinations take into account certain criteria, including, “the human rights, terrorism and proliferation record of the recipient and potential for misuse of the export in question” (Criteria for Decision Making on US Arms Exports).

The US also supplies four-fifths of Turkey’s military imports. Turkey has used these weapons to suppress internal political dissent and carry out military campaigns against the rebellious Kurdish minority. An estimated twenty thousand Kurds have been killed and 2.5 million displaced from their villages by the Turkish army’s operations.

Over two thirds of all arms agreements went to dictatorships that were violating human rights. From 1993 to 1997, the US government sold, approved or gave away $190 billion in weapons to various countries. Among them, many nations with deplorable human rights records, including Turkey, Indonesia, Colombia, Saudi Arabia and Israel. In 1997 alone, Clinton approved $83 billion in military assistance to dictatorships.

And when it comes to making big money, the Clinton administration had no problem selling in areas of regional conflict arming possible foes engaged in regional rivalry. Two American NATO allies for instance, Greece and Turkey are also two of the USA ‘s largest arms buyers. Both countries have come close to war several times over the Turkish occupation of the northern part of the island of Cyprus as well as territorial disputes in the Aegean. Barred by the US Congress from selling “offensive” weapons to Cyprus itself, the US in 1997, for instance, sold more than $270 million worth of weapons to Greece and $750 million to Turkey.

Besides the US, there are other countries that export conventional arms to countries violating human rights. For instance, Britain increased arms sales to Israel (which almost doubled, despite its repressive military actions in the occupied territories), Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Pakistan, Nepal and China.


http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/50028
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