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[YFred]

....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

You have a nerve, a bloody cheek to say the least. How dare you compare Banana and Kiks as being the same!

You obviously love Banana because he sings your tune, you know the one where you want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to you and Turkey on a plate and sod us. Wheres as the TCs hate Kiks becasue he tells them that he wants whats fair to BOTH sides, and this is the crucks of it. BOTH SIDES. Mutual respect for human and democratic rights, with the return of property on BOTH sides to their rightful owners, with the removal of settlers and Turkish troops.

But oh no, you and your banana just want it all.

Don't even think about putting these two people in the same category, that is an insult to Kiks.

Banana has not ONCE criticised the TCs, he tries to cover it up by referring to the facists on that side only, never a bad word of condemnation about the atrocities commited against us, he just wants us to bend and accept gracefully. Well, he can bend for you mate, Kiks is not the bending type. he does tell them and us how it should be and not cave into this propoganda shit.

Seems strange that when we disagree with Banana we are all facists and EOKA-B members, yet if he disagrees with our side we are still the same and he is right.

@Milti

You mention in another post about your and his views and respecting each other, well thats all well and dandy, but you also claim we will have a free vote and that stands, yet your chum here has pissed on the 76% of you GC compatriots and doesn't accept the will of these people's vote and still wants the anan plan to take place. perhaps next time you meet him, you can tell him to stick it!

Firstly know that I opposed the AP , SECONDLY KNOW THAT YOU TALK A LOAD OF SHIT.
Neither Bananiot nor Bir have ever expressed anything remotely similar to what you stupidly refer to , ie handing Cyprus on a plate to Turkey.
Both , i'm certain would want nothing more than the occupying troops out of Cyprus and a united Cyprus where all Cypriots are equal under the law not only of Cyprus but of the EU .It seems to me that extremist views are a major factor why the Turkish troops are in Cyprus and why they remain . T/Cs are fed up to the teeth with the Turkish occupation but are also fed up to the teeth with the G/C fanatics such as you.

Well put Milti. 100%.

[Kikapu]

militiades why dont you tell us whether this kikapoooo person is really TC, how did you come to your decision?

As you know VP , I have over the years met many T/Cs , long before joining the CF I already knew literary hundreds of T/Cs , most I called friends as well as customers. My line of business , The Catering Equipment Industry brought me in touch with many different nationalities .

On joining the forum I found it easy to be able to interact both with G/Cs , Brits , Armenians and of course T/Cs. I have met Halil , Iceman , MR-fromNG
Deniz AND OF COURSE kIKAPU on at least 3 occasions. If Kikapu is not a T/C then neither is Deniz , Halil , Iceman MR-from-NG forthat matter. Yes VP , all are T/Cs including many that I have exchanged PMs such as Umit 07 , T.C , CEM , XXNILXX , LALYAVCHIK ,VURYEK and last but not least my dear friend and tru Cypriot BIRKIBRISLY .
With all mentioned -please forgive any ommisions- I have built a friendship based on trust and mutual respect . I might ven dare to say that even you VP find something in me that strikes a cord.
Take it from me , Kikapu is a T/C .

Take it from me too,VP,Kikapu is a TC and a True Cypriot...
He is in fact a better TC than you and me,he loves his community enough to criticise them and tell it as he sees it...A good friend/ compatriot is not one who tells you what you want to hear...But one who is honest and open about his opinions,whether u want to hear it or not....
He is as much a True Cypriot as Bananiot ,in reverse....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

Thank you my Cypriot brothers, Birkibrisli & Miltiades who know who I am and what I stand for, which is Cyprus for all Cypriots as equal citizens with prosperity for all by working together to build a country based on True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and the EU Principles as a EU member based on “BBF” in a True Federation system in the “United States of Cyprus”. Those who say the above cannot work for Cyprus because we have a unique past history are only making excuses to achieve their real hidden agendas and when I see that being the case, I will speak out to point them out forcefully if need be, regardless if it displeases some by doing so. If the USA can overcome it’s past ugly history to become one of the most successful mega multi ethnic societies in the world with 300+ million people from all walks of life, then there is absolutely no reason why a small island of Cyprus with 1 million people can’t do the same if the will is there. We cannot build an honest society in Cyprus based on corrupt values, which is what some people want us to do. This I will always speak out against.

Many times I only challenge what others post by contradicting them with my own points of view and not initiate posts myself that are deemed to be provocative to others. If some members make posts that are not in line with my own values and principles, then I will challenge them no matter who states them and regardless from which community they are from. I do not give anyone a “free pass”, not even if they are from my own community. It does not mean you will have like what I have to say, but those posts will be challenged all the same. I stand on principles that I believe for them to be correct, but those who do not like to hear what I have to say and become abusive, then they can expect to get the same in return, if not worse, by all means available to me. Most of you know what those are. I only dislike peoples political ideology and values if they should counter mine and not the person themselves, unless they become abusive that is, then all bets are off.!

[BirKibrisli]

....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

You have a nerve, a bloody cheek to say the least. How dare you compare Banana and Kiks as being the same!

You obviously love Banana because he sings your tune, you know the one where you want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to you and Turkey on a plate and sod us. Wheres as the TCs hate Kiks becasue he tells them that he wants whats fair to BOTH sides, and this is the crucks of it. BOTH SIDES. Mutual respect for human and democratic rights, with the return of property on BOTH sides to their rightful owners, with the removal of settlers and Turkish troops.

Bananiot does not want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to anyone (and neither do I)....He sees the real and present danger our homeland is facing...Without a realistic solution in the near future there is every possiblity that the de fact Partition would become permanent and irriversible...We would all loose big time,and we would be condemning the coming generations to live with a sword hanging over their heads for the foreseeable future...He is a truly enlightened individual personally,politically and socially. A pity his own people prefer to put him on the cross instead of listening to his persistent warnings...

[Mikiko]

Ignore the problem and it will go away thats the mentality in the south . We dont need to take any decisions as the problem is solved. Even accepting our own constitution is a reason to be a traitor by some tiny parties.

As long as we offer fake promises to the public while securing our fat pensions and getting rich thats what it matters...

[B25]

....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

You have a nerve, a bloody cheek to say the least. How dare you compare Banana and Kiks as being the same!

You obviously love Banana because he sings your tune, you know the one where you want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to you and Turkey on a plate and sod us. Wheres as the TCs hate Kiks becasue he tells them that he wants whats fair to BOTH sides, and this is the crucks of it. BOTH SIDES. Mutual respect for human and democratic rights, with the return of property on BOTH sides to their rightful owners, with the removal of settlers and Turkish troops.

Bananiot does not want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to anyone (and neither do I)....He sees the real and present danger our homeland is facing...Without a realistic solution in the near future there is every possiblity that the de fact Partition would become permanent and irriversible...We would all loose big time,and we would be condemning the coming generations to live with a sword hanging over their heads for the foreseeable future...He is a truly enlightened individual personally,politically and socially. A pity his own people prefer to put him on the cross instead of listening to his persistent warnings...

Did he or did he not vote YES to the AP??

Show me where he ever condemns your lot??

You are, in Miltis words, talking shit.

Bir, I always thought you were more reasonable of the TCs we deal with here, but actually you are just as bad, or even worse as you pretend you actually care.

I give you this, at least with the TCs you all toe the same line, you can be commended for that unike some arsehole GCs here whole would rather put down their own. With compatriots like them who needs enemies.

[BirKibrisli]

....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

You have a nerve, a bloody cheek to say the least. How dare you compare Banana and Kiks as being the same!

You obviously love Banana because he sings your tune, you know the one where you want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to you and Turkey on a plate and sod us. Wheres as the TCs hate Kiks becasue he tells them that he wants whats fair to BOTH sides, and this is the crucks of it. BOTH SIDES. Mutual respect for human and democratic rights, with the return of property on BOTH sides to their rightful owners, with the removal of settlers and Turkish troops.

Bananiot does not want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to anyone (and neither do I)....He sees the real and present danger our homeland is facing...Without a realistic solution in the near future there is every possiblity that the de fact Partition would become permanent and irriversible...We would all loose big time,and we would be condemning the coming generations to live with a sword hanging over their heads for the foreseeable future...He is a truly enlightened individual personally,politically and socially. A pity his own people prefer to put him on the cross instead of listening to his persistent warnings...

Did he or did he not vote YES to the AP??

Show me where he ever condemns your lot??

You are, in Miltis words, talking shit.

Bir, I always thought you were more reasonable of the TCs we deal with here, but actually you are just as bad, or even worse as you pretend you actually care.

I give you this, at least with the TCs you all toe the same line, you can be commended for that unike some arsehole GCs here whole would rather put down their own. With compatriots like them who needs enemies.

He did vote YES and explained why. So did 24% of all GCs...Were they all traitors in Turkey's payroll...???He obviously does not share your fanatical black-and-white opinion on Cyprob. Bananiot knows that both sides (plus others) have contributed to this catastrophy,and only a compromise solution is realistically possible....He is a wise man who realises the present situation is the worse outcome for the GCs,and the longer this stalemate continues the higher the chances that it will become the permanent solution...You can then kiss goodbye any justice for the refugees,or any chance for a fair and workable solution...The present animosity would be set in concrete for generations to come...And one day some lunatic from either side will decide to solve the problem once -and-for -all by force of arms...The consequences of that is unthinkable for some of us,but obviously not for the likes of you...If I am talking shit,as you claim,I wonder what it is you are doing....

I do not need you to tell me how good or bad I am,or how much I care for my fellow Cypriots...There is no reason for me to pretend I am something I am not...If I didn't care I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to point out to the likes of you where you are going wrong,and how much harm you are doing to our motherland...I will not give up on you,B25,though you have given up on me.The key to finding a solution lies in improving the understanding and trust between our people.I can only help in this process by challenging your blinkered,one-sided views on the causes of our present tragedy...I will not give this up,and neither would Bananiot I am sure...

[B25]

....If we had more Kikapus and Bananiots we wouldnt have a Cyprus problem...alas they are in short supply on both sides...

You have a nerve, a bloody cheek to say the least. How dare you compare Banana and Kiks as being the same!

You obviously love Banana because he sings your tune, you know the one where you want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to you and Turkey on a plate and sod us. Wheres as the TCs hate Kiks becasue he tells them that he wants whats fair to BOTH sides, and this is the crucks of it. BOTH SIDES. Mutual respect for human and democratic rights, with the return of property on BOTH sides to their rightful owners, with the removal of settlers and Turkish troops.

Bananiot does not want the GCs to hand over Cyprus to anyone (and neither do I)....He sees the real and present danger our homeland is facing...Without a realistic solution in the near future there is every possiblity that the de fact Partition would become permanent and irriversible...We would all loose big time,and we would be condemning the coming generations to live with a sword hanging over their heads for the foreseeable future...He is a truly enlightened individual personally,politically and socially. A pity his own people prefer to put him on the cross instead of listening to his persistent warnings...

Did he or did he not vote YES to the AP??

Show me where he ever condemns your lot??

You are, in Miltis words, talking shit.

Bir, I always thought you were more reasonable of the TCs we deal with here, but actually you are just as bad, or even worse as you pretend you actually care.

I give you this, at least with the TCs you all toe the same line, you can be commended for that unike some arsehole GCs here whole would rather put down their own. With compatriots like them who needs enemies.

He did vote YES and explained why. So did 24% of all GCs...Were they all traitors in Turkey's payroll...???He obviously does not share your fanatical black-and-white opinion on Cyprob. Bananiot knows that both sides (plus others) have contributed to this catastrophy,and only a compromise solution is realistically possible....He is a wise man who realises the present situation is the worse outcome for the GCs,and the longer this stalemate continues the higher the chances that it will become the permanent solution...You can then kiss goodbye any justice for the refugees,or any chance for a fair and workable solution...The present animosity would be set in concrete for generations to come...And one day some lunatic from either side will decide to solve the problem once -and-for -all by force of arms...The consequences of that is unthinkable for some of us,but obviously not for the likes of you...If I am talking shit,as you claim,I wonder what it is you are doing....

I do not need you to tell me how good or bad I am,or how much I care for my fellow Cypriots...There is no reason for me to pretend I am something I am not...If I didn't care I wouldn't be wasting my time trying to point out to the likes of you where you are going wrong,and how much harm you are doing to our motherland...I will not give up on you,B25,though you have given up on me.The key to finding a solution lies in improving the understanding and trust between our people.I can only help in this process by challenging your blinkered,one-sided views on the causes of our present tragedy...I will not give this up,and neither would Bananiot I am sure...

Bir, you are having a laugh, according to you and banana I am blinkered oned viewing this situation whilst you and he and your other cronies are looking for a two sided settlement???

You are demanding we relinquish 37% of our Island, accept 10's od thousands of illegal settlers accompanied by 40,000 troops and dance to turkeys tunes. And I am one sided, well bugger me mate.

The danger to this Island is you refusal to recognise our sufferings, you playing victim consatntly, change the bloody record will you. You claim (of course you are taking your ques from Banana) I am extreme, facist, bash, and whatever else, I am merely standing up for my country so that you and your likes don't steal it from us. You are just a bunch of bullies with your might is right attitudes, like I said I can stomach that, what really pissis me off is motherfuckers like Banana who wishes to see our down side over your gains.

And for your information 76% Is very much greater than 23%, so I guess the No vote, in your book, doesn't count a?? You and he continue to bring up the 23% yes vote, all the while the 76% can go jump??? thats the attitude you display. My views don't need challenging I just need Turkey off these shores for a start.

Anyway, i am done with you, I know your sort, you can keep it.

[DT.]

The problem with grouping the likes of Kiks, Bananiot (and Bir about 1 year ago) together is that they actually don’t belong together.

Everyone must admit that it is a far more difficult argument for the TC's to bring across rather than the GC viewpoint.

Things that happen today are far more important to people than things that happened decades ago, especially when neither side was completely innocent all those decades ago. The fact that any GC or person supporting the GC point of view (I do not include any fanatics in this grouping) only has to promote universal ideals to bring about his/her desires for this country.

EU Four Freedoms
The free movement of goods
The free movement of capital
The free movement of services
The free movement of persons


The universal declaration of human rights
Article 2
•Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty

Article 13.
•(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
•(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 17.
•(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
•(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 21.
•(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
•(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
•(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

This makes anyone’s argument a hell lot easier. Kiks regardless of his intellect of which he has in spades has an easy task here. He asks for democracy, freedoms and the respect of human rights. Bananiot on the other hand needs to go through the arduous process of convincing everyone that due to past mistakes and realpolitiks of the region...we deserve what we get. And the quicker we get it the better off we will be regardless of the tragic consequences of such a solution...

Bananiot's frustrations with the past especially the right wing-left wing contra that existed in all Med countries at that time (Greece, Spain, Portugal...) have formed his frame of mind. The people that have been in power for thus long are generally the same people that fought against the left wing thinkers he so admired.

For someone like Bananiot, we deserve what we get NOT because he is a traitor to the community of GC's, it’s actually vice versa. Babaniot has been an extremely loyal and patriotic foot soldier to the ideals he held as a group of leftists/idealists. His comradeship with the Politecheneio generation is his priority.

Without wanting to talk too much about Bananiot, (I know he hates it) his arguments make sense when you consider that his "people" have been repressed by the DEKO, EDEK ruling parties so far and betrayed by AKEL. DISY who houses so many EOKA B criminals is a confusing place for them thanks to Anastasiades the Chrysostomos (to those that voted yes in the AP).

Wrapping up, Kiks has an easy job and Bananiot has a tough one. But don't be too sure what the motives may be at the end of the day. Bananiot considering himself a fellow sufferer under the GC's and Kiks angry at the amount of harem land that got distributed to military personnel and arselicking TC's.

[BirKibrisli]

Bir, you are having a laugh, according to you and banana I am blinkered oned viewing this situation whilst you and he and your other cronies are looking for a two sided settlement???

You are demanding we relinquish 37% of our Island, accept 10's od thousands of illegal settlers accompanied by 40,000 troops and dance to turkeys tunes. And I am one sided, well bugger me mate.

The danger to this Island is you refusal to recognise our sufferings, you playing victim consatntly, change the bloody record will you. You claim (of course you are taking your ques from Banana) I am extreme, facist, bash, and whatever else, I am merely standing up for my country so that you and your likes don't steal it from us. You are just a bunch of bullies with your might is right attitudes, like I said I can stomach that, what really pissis me off is motherfuckers like Banana who wishes to see our down side over your gains.

And for your information 76% Is very much greater than 23%, so I guess the No vote, in your book, doesn't count a?? You and he continue to bring up the 23% yes vote, all the while the 76% can go jump??? thats the attitude you display. My views don't need challenging I just need Turkey off these shores for a start.

We ALL want the same thing,B25...We want a fair and workable solution which will allow Turkey to remove most of her toops (if not all),repatriate most of the settlers,and stay out of Cypriot affairs.A solution which will allow for all refugees who want to return to practise that right...A solution which will address the fears of the TC community of being again left at the mercy of the majority GCs...They were burnt badly back in the 60s and need more tangible guarantees than the noble but intangible notions of democracy and human rights suggest...Your insistence that you will not accept anything but the unconditional removal of Turkey from the picture,without addressing the TC concerns stands in the way of such a solution...Your belief that this might be brought about by hanging out and waiting for EU pressure to work is wrong...Internal and external geopolitical factors dictate that a comprehensive solution be found first before Turkey is "off these shores" as you put it...Ignore that fact at your peril...

[BirKibrisli]

The problem with grouping the likes of Kiks, Bananiot (and Bir about 1 year ago) together is that they actually don’t belong together.

Everyone must admit that it is a far more difficult argument for the TC's to bring across rather than the GC viewpoint.

Things that happen today are far more important to people than things that happened decades ago, especially when neither side was completely innocent all those decades ago. The fact that any GC or person supporting the GC point of view (I do not include any fanatics in this grouping) only has to promote universal ideals to bring about his/her desires for this country.

EU Four Freedoms
The free movement of goods
The free movement of capital
The free movement of services
The free movement of persons


The universal declaration of human rights
Article 2
•Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty

Article 13.
•(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state.
•(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 17.
•(1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others.
•(2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 21.
•(1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
•(2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
•(3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

This makes anyone’s argument a hell lot easier. Kiks regardless of his intellect of which he has in spades has an easy task here. He asks for democracy, freedoms and the respect of human rights. Bananiot on the other hand needs to go through the arduous process of convincing everyone that due to past mistakes and realpolitiks of the region...we deserve what we get. And the quicker we get it the better off we will be regardless of the tragic consequences of such a solution...

Bananiot's frustrations with the past especially the right wing-left wing contra that existed in all Med countries at that time (Greece, Spain, Portugal...) have formed his frame of mind. The people that have been in power for thus long are generally the same people that fought against the left wing thinkers he so admired.

For someone like Bananiot, we deserve what we get NOT because he is a traitor to the community of GC's, it’s actually vice versa. Babaniot has been an extremely loyal and patriotic foot soldier to the ideals he held as a group of leftists/idealists. His comradeship with the Politecheneio generation is his priority.

Without wanting to talk too much about Bananiot, (I know he hates it) his arguments make sense when you consider that his "people" have been repressed by the DEKO, EDEK ruling parties so far and betrayed by AKEL. DISY who houses so many EOKA B criminals is a confusing place for them thanks to Anastasiades the Chrysostomos (to those that voted yes in the AP).

Wrapping up, Kiks has an easy job and Bananiot has a tough one. But don't be too sure what the motives may be at the end of the day. Bananiot considering himself a fellow sufferer under the GC's and Kiks angry at the amount of harem land that got distributed to military personnel and arselicking TC's.

I see you have left me out of this equation,DT...Perhaps you are wondering where do i stand now...I will tell you...I stand for reality and what is possible to achieve...Kikapu has an easy argument you say,and perhaps you are right...But that argument,hovever noble,has little chance of success...If you are really serious about finding a solution which will allow Turkey to remove herself from these shores,you have to go Bananiot's way...That is the conclusion i came to after long and careful consideration...Stop trying to pretend that events which happened in my lifetime are ancient history,best forgotten...These events are etched in TC collective consciousness and will not be removed by any intellectual argument...however noble that argument is for the Present...The past has to be dealt with if we want to find a solution...That is where I stand and will stand till the mission is accomplished...You better try to make a realistic shift in you thinking as well,DT....Else you might have to join Piratis, GR and Oracle and B25 and the rest,in their wait for the "balance of power to change" in order to liberate the North from the evil Turks and TCs...