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[yialousa1971]

For them "Turk" is a dirty word. If you want to offend someone you call him Turk or, the more sophisticated Turkish-spawned (tourkosporos). This is the culture of the ultra Greeks, Greek flag waving zombies, the bash patriots, who now want to be remembered for their adherence to human right principles and democracy.

I find it hard to believe you are a teacher...no wonder they let dumbasses teach, bringing the education level to the gutter level bananiot...

He's are teacher you know, a right dip-stick.

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[BirKibrisli]

When the crazy woman of the forum wants to insult anyone, the first word that comes into her mouth is "turk". She has a cheek to lecture us on namecalling and the "innocent" way these terms are used in England or France.

Oracle does tend to view us rather negatively and reacts to our posts in a very narrow-minded pre-judgemental manner. She is honest, and believes what she says, but is rather quick to jump to conclusions. It is a dissapointing trait from an otherwise intelligent woman.

Those of us who lived through the worst of the Cyprus catastrophy,as a child,and I believe Oracle lived through the 74 events,are suffering from PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) to one degree or another, Expat...
Keep that in mind when judging us...

Speak for yourself.

I did say,"those of us....."

That's where you are mistaken. Oracle was born crazy. That's no acquired disorder it's in her blue trousers (Genes).

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

[Expatkiwi]

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

I don't believe Oracle is crazy. She has the 'war' mentality of 'an enemy is an enemy, period!', but that's not unique in the world's conflict zones. She gave me very heartfelt condolences for the death of my son, and we have tried to bridge the gap from time to time.

[BirKibrisli]

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

I don't believe Oracle is crazy. She has the 'war' mentality of 'an enemy is an enemy, period!', but that's not unique in the world's conflict zones. She gave me very heartfelt condolences for the death of my son, and we have tried to bridge the gap from time to time.

I guess you are right,Dean...
If you want to hate someone you cannot allow yourself to see them as human beings...They must be all evil,to justify your reaction/response to them...Oracle is a sensitive, intelligent,but deeply disturbed woman,who is trying very hard to justify the bigotry and racism of her opinions...She is not crazy but dangerous...I wouldnt want to live next door to her...

[Piratis]

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

I don't believe Oracle is crazy. She has the 'war' mentality of 'an enemy is an enemy, period!', but that's not unique in the world's conflict zones. She gave me very heartfelt condolences for the death of my son, and we have tried to bridge the gap from time to time.

I guess you are right,Dean...
If you want to hate someone you cannot allow yourself to see them as human beings...They must be all evil,to justify your reaction/response to them...Oracle is a sensitive, intelligent,but deeply disturbed woman,who is trying very hard to justify the bigotry and racism of her opinions...She is not crazy but dangerous...I wouldnt want to live next door to her...

I don't think she has to try hard. The Turks are doing everything they can to be hated. They even put a huge flag on Pentadiktilos to remind us all of their crimes against our island.

[Jimski999]

Expat

The Babies in the Bath Murders; you have to ask yourself who would have benefitted the most from this appalling crime. The wife and babies were the family of a Turkish Medical Officer in the Turkish Army; when this atrocity became public knowledge in Turkey it inflamed the public who were calling for vengeance against the Greek Cypriots. One of the eyewitnesses to the massacre was quoted as saying that the assailants had spoken in Turkish; not Greek. One school of thought is that it was the TMT who carried out the murders to whip up a frenzy of public opinion in Turkey against the Greek Cypriots; which in fact it did.

Jimski999

[Oracle]

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

I don't believe Oracle is crazy. She has the 'war' mentality of 'an enemy is an enemy, period!', but that's not unique in the world's conflict zones. She gave me very heartfelt condolences for the death of my son, and we have tried to bridge the gap from time to time.

I guess you are right,Dean...
If you want to hate someone you cannot allow yourself to see them as human beings...They must be all evil,to justify your reaction/response to them...Oracle is a sensitive, intelligent,but deeply disturbed woman,who is trying very hard to justify the bigotry and racism of her opinions...She is not crazy but dangerous...I wouldnt want to live next door to her...

Unfortunately, I see the Turks exactly as Human beings.

Which is why I DO NOT excuse their behaviour, as you two do. The "war" mentality you hate in me, is the type all civilised people practice, not the kind you excuse in the belligerent killing Turks who constantly infringe on their neighbours. I strongly object to these real war practices of Turkey!

Unfortunately also, both of you are deluded fantasists, the real danger to our society as we witness in your posts above, your fictional imaginations unfolding. Elaborating your thoughts, no facts, just fiction to damn another person who objects to Turkish war crimes. You have demonstrated exactly what you accuse others of. Did we not witness something similar by Denktash? Be careful you two, because as you excuse the murderers and criminals, you are slowly morphing into them!

I am neither crazy (except for wasting my time with you) nor dangerous. Unless by "dangerous" you mean I am one of those people that won't DIE quietly and not spoil your plans to legitimise crimes against humanity.

You see, most of us would admit to hating murderers and paedophiles, and people who have cast out others from their homes and threaten to shoot them if they try to reclaim their rights. Most liberal people will see the degrees of hate which can emanate from having to accept such criminal acts when nothing is seen to be done to bring justice, and correct the crimes. Even more so, when those paedophiles and murderers and invader-Turks try and excuse their crimes and beg to be allowed to carry on without recriminations.

The Turks, who have slaughtered thousands of GCs and stolen their homes and support the continuation of this crime, are also hated by all decent liberals. But that is not to say the hate is all consuming and makes us blind and destroys us. But such hate, allowed for by nature (for without it we would perish at the taste of bitter poisonous berries, snake-bites etc), allows civilized people to tackle the atrocity, to tackle whatever needs to be done to safeguard the weak and not allow our children to grow up believing we allow destructive murderers to ruin our world.

The type of hate which is wrong and destroys civilisation is the type the Turks continue which is built on fantasy and egotistical desire to steal and grab; unfairly annihilate competition. This is the hate we fight; with hatred for these wrongdoings.

So, you see despite what you say, Turks are Humans, who nurture wrongful acts against non-Turks. Their wrongdoings cannot be excused!

[boomerang]

Expat

The Babies in the Bath Murders; you have to ask yourself who would have benefitted the most from this appalling crime. The wife and babies were the family of a Turkish Medical Officer in the Turkish Army; when this atrocity became public knowledge in Turkey it inflamed the public who were calling for vengeance against the Greek Cypriots. One of the eyewitnesses to the massacre was quoted as saying that the assailants had spoken in Turkish; not Greek. One school of thought is that it was the TMT who carried out the murders to whip up a frenzy of public opinion in Turkey against the Greek Cypriots; which in fact it did.

Jimski999

ask expat who the hell blew ataturks house in thesaloniki and what followed up in turkey...and what kind of a frenzy this event caused...the turkish deep state is a master blaster in the world of propaganda...

[Tim Drayton]

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I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

According to Martin Packard, the police at Myrtou police station 'declined to take an interest' when the cold blooded murder of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their own home in Liveras in 1964 was reported to them. There is no statute of limitations on murder in the RoC, and it seems that no investigation was ever conducted into this offence. Those responsible for this murder may well still be alive and have got off scot-free. If what you say above is true, a belated investigation should be launched into this and similar events with a view to identifying the culprits. Is this ever going to happen? The truth is that the demons still lurk.

Well said. If former SS guards from WW2 can be put on trial in this day and age then the murderers of Cyprus should be hunted down and brought to justice. People out there know who did what. Sadly I can't see either side issuing arrest warrants or extraditing the worst offenders from GR/TR.

I am more inclined to agree with Boomerang that the correct way forward for Cyprus is a South African style truth and reconciliation process. My arguments above were meant much more to counter the dogmatic claim that the RoC has no demons.

[DT.]

you might have a point there,YFred...
I always give people the benefit of the doubt!

I don't believe Oracle is crazy. She has the 'war' mentality of 'an enemy is an enemy, period!', but that's not unique in the world's conflict zones. She gave me very heartfelt condolences for the death of my son, and we have tried to bridge the gap from time to time.

I guess you are right,Dean...
If you want to hate someone you cannot allow yourself to see them as human beings...They must be all evil,to justify your reaction/response to them...Oracle is a sensitive, intelligent,but deeply disturbed woman,who is trying very hard to justify the bigotry and racism of her opinions...She is not crazy but dangerous...I wouldnt want to live next door to her...

I'd watch it up there Bir, its a very high horse you've climbed onto that allows you the right to profile someone in such detail with such certainty. Should we all be fearful of this profiling hobby you've picked up from your mate bananiot?