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Postby boomerang » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:00 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:no, you did make a half ass claim...with claims you need to substantiate these claims...proof expat, proof...

look for the eyewitness account...


Expat...boomerang will not be satisfied till you bring these victims of massacresback to life, to tell him exactly what happened...If you can manage that we will be eternally in your debt...But again,if he doesnt like the eyewitness evidence,boomers will probably tell you that these people are not objective.... :) You need people who watched the massacres and survived to tell the story... :roll:


bir, when did I say guilty before a trial?...isn't funny in all the readings expat read there was no mention of an eyewitness report?...why is that so Bir?

you do not believe me?...how about the Afrika article?...how come then Tim agrees with me?...oh yeah the boogie man is out to get you bir?...

have you got something against the truth coming out Bir?...

but let me take a guess here bir...you are one of these guys that looks at the pictures and sees nothing wrong huh?... :?
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Postby boomerang » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:02 pm

YFred wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:no, you did make a half ass claim...with claims you need to substantiate these claims...proof expat, proof...

look for the eyewitness account...


Expat...boomerang will not be satisfied till you bring these victims of massacresback to life, to tell him exactly what happened...If you can manage that we will be eternally in your debt...But again,if he doesnt like the eyewitness evidence,boomers will probably tell you that these people are not objective.... :) You need people who watched the massacres and survived to tell the story... :roll:

Even if they were GC witnesses, the resident B'stard will accuse them of being Turkofiles.


hey knucklehead, the story broke out of Afrika...nothing to do with me...but as usual you jumped on the band wagon accussing people for having intelligence...well knucklehead tim also has doubts...is he a bastard as well?... :?
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Postby boomerang » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:04 pm

Bananiot wrote:For them "Turk" is a dirty word. If you want to offend someone you call him Turk or, the more sophisticated Turkish-spawned (tourkosporos). This is the culture of the ultra Greeks, Greek flag waving zombies, the bash patriots, who now want to be remembered for their adherence to human right principles and democracy.


I find it hard to believe you are a teacher...no wonder they let dumbasses teach, bringing the education level to the gutter level bananiot...
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sun Dec 13, 2009 3:16 pm

boomerang wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
boomerang wrote:no, you did make a half ass claim...with claims you need to substantiate these claims...proof expat, proof...

look for the eyewitness account...


Expat...boomerang will not be satisfied till you bring these victims of massacresback to life, to tell him exactly what happened...If you can manage that we will be eternally in your debt...But again,if he doesnt like the eyewitness evidence,boomers will probably tell you that these people are not objective.... :) You need people who watched the massacres and survived to tell the story... :roll:


bir, when did I say guilty before a trial?...isn't funny in all the readings expat read there was no mention of an eyewitness report?...why is that so Bir?

you do not believe me?...how about the Afrika article?...how come then Tim agrees with me?...oh yeah the boogie man is out to get you bir?...

have you got something against the truth coming out Bir?...

but let me take a guess here bir...you are one of these guys that looks at the pictures and sees nothing wrong huh?... :?


Let me repeat what I said,in a massacre the only eye witnesses are mostly the perpetrators...And they will not rush to confess...There are a few cases I know of where a single person survived to tell the story,(one from each side) but i would not repeat them here for all the tea in China...There is enough bitterness in the air without me contributing..And I would never look at the pictures knowingly...They would make me sick... :(
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Postby Nikitas » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:28 pm

Regarding prosecution of perpetrators. Both communities know who the perpetrators of massacres are. It is a sure thing that many in the TC community know who the butchersof Kythrea and Afania are, as many in the GC community know who killed the villagers of Sandalaris and Maratha.

The names are often mentioned in conversations. But as long as there is no JOINT official investigation no one will mention these names in a semi formal venuel like a TV talk show or press interview. And all this says a lot about the state of both communities.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:11 pm

Our society is one of the most xenophobic and racist in the European Union. This has been shown by scientific measurements, such as the eurobarometre. One example: We still refer to the house helpers as our "mavroues" and most their employers are guilty of various types of abuse against them.

The nasty word "tourkosporos" is frequently used, even amongst young people and I would like to remind you that it was directed at me in this forum by one of our more learned forumers. At the time, none of the bash patriots complained, an indication that they endorsed the term. Of course I did not burst into tears, because people that behave like this are the ones that we should pity.

Boomerang, let me explain to you that the real teachers in Cyprus are found in the occupied areas. In a way, we are the pseudoteachers. The TC teachers, in their vast majority, are extremely progressive and their union led the struggle against Denktash in 2003. They are quite a remarkable group of people who have the good of Cyprus in their heart. I feel privileged to know them.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:37 pm

Bananiot wrote:Our society is one of the most xenophobic and racist in the European Union. This has been shown by scientific measurements, such as the eurobarometre. One example: We still refer to the house helpers as our "mavroues" and most their employers are guilty of various types of abuse against them.

The nasty word "tourkosporos" is frequently used, even amongst young people and I would like to remind you that it was directed at me in this forum by one of our more learned forumers. At the time, none of the bash patriots complained, an indication that they endorsed the term. Of course I did not burst into tears, because people that behave like this are the ones that we should pity.

Boomerang, let me explain to you that the real teachers in Cyprus are found in the occupied areas. In a way, we are the pseudoteachers. The TC teachers, in their vast majority, are extremely progressive and their union led the struggle against Denktash in 2003. They are quite a remarkable group of people who have the good of Cyprus in their heart. I feel privileged to know them.


I don't think Cyprus is anymore racist than countries I have got to know, such as Australia, USA, Canada and many more.

The fact that someone from this forum called you a 'tourkosporo' is neither here nor there as this forum is not representative of the general attitudes in Cypriot society.

As to our youth, we have some out there who are very vocal. Some have carried Turkish Flags at soccer games, others have displayed racist, fascist and even nazi symbols. But the fact of the matter is, most GCs today are very placid, polite and butter could not melt in their mouths. The majority are progressive individuals and hold no malice to any TCs. And as to the older generation who may have some racist ideas against 'mavroues', well it is only a matter of time before these ideals disappear altogether.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:As to our youth, we have some out there who are very vocal. Some have carried Turkish Flags at soccer games, others have displayed racist, fascist and even nazi symbols. But the fact of the matter is, most GCs today are very placid, polite and butter could not melt in their mouths. The majority are progressive individuals and hold no malice to any TCs. And as to the older generation who may have some racist ideas against 'mavroues', well it is only a matter of time before these ideals disappear altogether.


The trouble is that the vocal minority end up as being 'representative' of the whole group. Look at the former Yugoslavia where the whole Serb people were tarred with the brush of 'ethnic cleansers' and 'genocidal maniacs' because of the actions of a few...
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Postby Oracle » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Our society is one of the most xenophobic and racist in the European Union. This has been shown by scientific measurements, such as the eurobarometre. One example: We still refer to the house helpers as our "mavroues" and most their employers are guilty of various types of abuse against them.

The nasty word "tourkosporos" is frequently used, even amongst young people and I would like to remind you that it was directed at me in this forum by one of our more learned forumers. At the time, none of the bash patriots complained, an indication that they endorsed the term. Of course I did not burst into tears, because people that behave like this are the ones that we should pity.

Boomerang, let me explain to you that the real teachers in Cyprus are found in the occupied areas. In a way, we are the pseudoteachers. The TC teachers, in their vast majority, are extremely progressive and their union led the struggle against Denktash in 2003. They are quite a remarkable group of people who have the good of Cyprus in their heart. I feel privileged to know them.


I don't think Cyprus is anymore racist than countries I have got to know, such as Australia, USA, Canada and many more.

The fact that someone from this forum called you a 'tourkosporo' is neither here nor there as this forum is not representative of the general attitudes in Cypriot society.

As to our youth, we have some out there who are very vocal. Some have carried Turkish Flags at soccer games, others have displayed racist, fascist and even nazi symbols. But the fact of the matter is, most GCs today are very placid, polite and butter could not melt in their mouths. The majority are progressive individuals and hold no malice to any TCs. And as to the older generation who may have some racist ideas against 'mavroues', well it is only a matter of time before these ideals disappear altogether.


Bananiot is limited in his recollections. The Brits for example still refer to the French as "Frogs" and it was some 1000 years ago since they were last invaded by them. They call the Spanish "Dagoes" and it's now some 500 years since the Spanish Armada ... If we had disparaging names for our enemies, it would be regarded as nothing more than what everybody else would do ... without even taking into consideration the present occupation of nearly half our country!
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Dec 13, 2009 5:45 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Paphitis wrote:As to our youth, we have some out there who are very vocal. Some have carried Turkish Flags at soccer games, others have displayed racist, fascist and even nazi symbols. But the fact of the matter is, most GCs today are very placid, polite and butter could not melt in their mouths. The majority are progressive individuals and hold no malice to any TCs. And as to the older generation who may have some racist ideas against 'mavroues', well it is only a matter of time before these ideals disappear altogether.


The trouble is that the vocal minority end up as being 'representative' of the whole group. Look at the former Yugoslavia where the whole Serb people were tarred with the brush of 'ethnic cleansers' and 'genocidal maniacs' because of the actions of a few...


I don't think you can call teenager hooligans carrying Nazi paraphernalia as being representative of the entire Cypriot race! :roll:
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