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[YFred]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

This is not in any way a facetious question. My understanding is that TCs who left the island prior to 1974 are entitled to petition for the return of their immovable property. Have you made a formal application for the return of this land?

Deniz has, paid all the taxes and 3 years on still no joy. I know a few others in the same situation.

On the other hand, I bought my flat here in February 2005 and am still waiting for the title deeds. You know Cyprus ... siga siga siga!

There is a slight difference Tim, you have the use of your property, they don't. They can't hide behind that one. It's see through. They know very well it's a TC property and yet they don't hand over the property or the rent they have collected.
As far as I am concerned roc is dead and the sooner it's buried the better it will be. It stinks high heaven.

[Tim Drayton]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

This is not in any way a facetious question. My understanding is that TCs who left the island prior to 1974 are entitled to petition for the return of their immovable property. Have you made a formal application for the return of this land?

Deniz has, paid all the taxes and 3 years on still no joy. I know a few others in the same situation.

On the other hand, I bought my flat here in February 2005 and am still waiting for the title deeds. You know Cyprus ... siga siga siga!

There is a slight difference Tim, you have the use of your property, they don't. They can't hide behind that one. It's see through. They know very well it's a TC property and yet they don't hand over the property or the rent they have collected.
As far as I am concerned roc is dead and the sooner it's buried the better it will be. It stinks high heaven.

Fair point. I hope to see this issue dealt with in accordance with the rule of law.

[halil]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

Here is the pictures of Istinjo .....What is left behind for u Birkibrisli .... let the Oracle to enjoy her dreams ....Pictures are taken by Sam Hardy...




















Above picture is the village school ....have a look at the blackboard and inside the classroom ..... Dried grasses for the animals ....

Birkibrisli and his ancestors how they can settle to Istinjo ? Yes his place is under the protection of ROC....It is well protected.... He is well come to his place... Here is the free areas ladies and gentilmen .... It is not the only Istinjo .....Altogether 25 TC villages completly destroyed in free areas of CYPRUS.....

[Tim Drayton]

Halil, houses can be rebuilt. The real obstacle to re-settlement is the lack of any conceivable livelihood in such a remote location, as is borne out by the situation in other Troodos villages where the only remaining permanent inhabitants are retired people.

[halil]

Halil, houses can be rebuilt. The real obstacle to re-settlement is the lack of any conceivable livelihood in such a remote location, as is borne out by the situation in other Troodos villages where the only remaining permanent inhabitants are retired people.

how about Esendağ(Petrofani)
ÜçŞehitler(Goshi)
and Softalar(Sophtades) these are not on the mountains .

Yes houses can be rebuilt . Think about the owners moral when they have seen their houses in those condition.How they felt when they returened back to north .

because i have a family members from kato kivides,Paramali and Yerovasa .... they lives at UK.... they were very upset when they saw their houses are completly razed off . how those peoples can be satisfaid .... or their trust will be gain back again .

[Tim Drayton]

This island has seen a great deal of suffering, Halil.

I can't speak for everybody, but I know a retired man who comes from one of the Paphos TC mountain villages who tells me that if the government rebuilds his house and gives him permission to return, he would be happy to spend his final days there. He is a regular at my usual Nicosia coffee house so you can find him for yourself. Damaged buildings, while important, are not the main issue.

[boomerang]

Halil, houses can be rebuilt. The real obstacle to re-settlement is the lack of any conceivable livelihood in such a remote location, as is borne out by the situation in other Troodos villages where the only remaining permanent inhabitants are retired people.

how about Esendağ(Petrofani)
ÜçŞehitler(Goshi)
and Softalar(Sophtades) these are not on the mountains .

Yes houses can be rebuilt . Think about the owners moral when they have seen their houses in those condition.How they felt when they returened back to north .

because i have a family members from kato kivides,Paramali and Yerovasa .... they lives at UK.... they were very upset when they saw their houses are completly razed off . how those peoples can be satisfaid .... or their trust will be gain back again .

Yes houses can be rebuilt . Think about the owners moral when they have seen their houses in those condition.How they felt when they returened back to north .

yes bayaraki boy can you imagine the horror when seeing your property sold off to the carpetbaggers...

[BirKibrisli]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

Here is the pictures of Istinjo .....What is left behind for u Birkibrisli .... let the Oracle to enjoy her dreams ....Pictures are taken by Sam Hardy...




















Above picture is the village school ....have a look at the blackboard and inside the classroom ..... Dried grasses for the animals ....

Birkibrisli and his ancestors how they can settle to Istinjo ? Yes his place is under the protection of ROC....It is well protected.... He is well come to his place... Here is the free areas ladies and gentilmen .... It is not the only Istinjo .....Altogether 25 TC villages completly destroyed in free areas of CYPRUS.....

Thanks very much Halil,for rubbing it in!!!

The ruins with the car shell in front is my ancestral home...The ruins below it was the teacher's house,where I was born...I did visit it in 2007,it is all in my "dairy" thread...

This is not the worst of it,Halil...Others (from both communities) have lost their lives or loved ones to this mindless conflict...But even worse than that is the denial...The denial of most GCs here of the TC pain and suffering...for me that is the biggest obstacle to finding a just solution...You cannot trust people who keep harping on about their own pain but deny or belittle or minimise yours...for me this was the biggest shock on this forum...People telling me I gained at their expense while I too lost everything,including my right to live in my homeland...

[BirKibrisli]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

This is not in any way a facetious question. My understanding is that TCs who left the island prior to 1974 are entitled to petition for the return of their immovable property. Have you made a formal application for the return of this land?

What would be the point,Tim? I could not possibly return to live there,and selling it,even if I would find a buyer,would go against my sense of justice...While tens of thousands of GCs cannot access their properties it would be wrong of me to do it...In any case,nothing will now erase the emotional pain of the circumsances under which a lot of Cypriots lost their homes and properties...Not that anyone is trying to ease that pain...

[halil]

... The time to integrate was back in the 50s and 60s...But the GCs was not interested in integration then..

Why the 50's and 60's in particular; and not further back when you spent 3 centuries enslaving us?

When rumours of our pending freedom circulated in the 50's, from our (GCs) struggle, you were too busy killing us in order to prevent this happening ... So, who were we to integrate with? Some foreign minority which still yearned to rule us, either by themselves or in collusion with the British?

Face the truth Bir, the onus was on the minority TCs to integrate with the majority and not the other way around as we had not gone anywhere to impose our culture ... something which only you had done! And don't try to deny that part of your past by only concentrating on the 50s & 60's (a time, anyway, which history shows you wished to continue unfair privileges and push for partition).

Frankly, I don't care to beg you and your ilk for integration. I am happy to see you all leave if you are so adamant against integrating into our democratically-run country. Just give back the properties you hold from the rightful owners and damned well bugger off.

I hold no properties from any owner,Oracle...In fact my mother has 22 donums of land in Paphos region which has been lost to her for over 35 years....That of course does not concern you in the least...It is only TC land left in the south,doesnt count really....And I did bugger off in 1969,not of my own choice I might add...But that doesnt concern you either,one or 60 TCs less in a month of 69,good riddence to bad rubbish right???Funny,noone was talking about the TCs democratic and human rights those days....The plan was to squeeze us from all angles,so we can leave Cyprus to her rightful owners...choosing to be selective with your history will only make me remember it more,and I will remind you more of those very democratic (!) days filled with human rights at every opportunity...

Here is the pictures of Istinjo .....What is left behind for u Birkibrisli .... let the Oracle to enjoy her dreams ....Pictures are taken by Sam Hardy...




















Above picture is the village school ....have a look at the blackboard and inside the classroom ..... Dried grasses for the animals ....

Birkibrisli and his ancestors how they can settle to Istinjo ? Yes his place is under the protection of ROC....It is well protected.... He is well come to his place... Here is the free areas ladies and gentilmen .... It is not the only Istinjo .....Altogether 25 TC villages completly destroyed in free areas of CYPRUS.....

Thanks very much Halil,for rubbing it in!!!

The ruins with the car shell in front is my ancestral home...The ruins below it was the teacher's house,where I was born...I did visit it in 2007,it is all in my "dairy" thread...

This is not the worst of it,Halil...Others (from both communities) have lost their lives or loved ones to this mindless conflict...But even worse than that is the denial...The denial of most GCs here of the TC pain and suffering...for me that is the biggest obstacle to finding a just solution...You cannot trust people who keep harping on about their own pain but deny or belittle or minimise yours...for me this was the biggest shock on this forum...People telling me I gained at their expense while I too lost everything,including my right to live in my homeland... :(

I can understand u Gardash. As long as people are not accept others losses we will never end up our arguments. What we want very simple gardash from our GC neighbours .... we suffered a lot as well. What we are complaining gardash where they were during 1963's .Why they were not protecting their neighbours from EOKA men ? Why there was a always fear in our community during those years (1963-1974)..... i better stop now ....