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Murders can take years to solve even under normal circumstances so I don't see why Packard makes such a big thing about the lack of resolution within a matter of months. And that was during a time of general and political upheaval in Cyprus. I'm sure there were many GC murders which were never solved. It's cheap to use these as a way to point political conspiracies on what may be matters of forensic practicalities.

[boomerang]

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I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

According to Martin Packard, the police at Myrtou police station 'declined to take an interest' when the cold blooded murder of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their own home in Liveras in 1964 was reported to them. There is no statute of limitations on murder in the RoC, and it seems that no investigation was ever conducted into this offence. Those responsible for this murder may well still be alive and have got off scot-free. If what you say above is true, a belated investigation should be launched into this and similar events with a view to identifying the culprits. Is this ever going to happen? The truth is that the demons still lurk.

to get to the truth you need to have a reconciliation truth commision...avoiding witch hunting coz in the long term it will not serve anyones interest...

the cyprus intercommunal fighting is not unique and miniscule to what happened around the world...this is the point everyone is missing...

democracy and human rights should be on the table and let the rule of law deal with the any misfits...but blaming the work of misfits on a whole community only exagerates the bullshit to the nth degree...

[YFred]

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I agree with you...attrocities did happen on many occassions from both sides...there is no point denying this...

Sure, that is the only point I want to make. The time has come to move on, but this can't be done from a position of total denial.

The GCs don't deny the fact that some atrocities have been committed by both sides.

It is the TCs that exagerate the truth and tell blatant lies in an effort to maintain the division of Cyprus. It is they that will not move on, because it is they who demand more political rights than their GC "compatriots" and a Treaty of Guarantee!

I beg to differ. I think there is a lot of denial in both communities.

Not at all. The RoC has come to terms with its demons and this is why we afford and give the TCs many benefits whilst they spit in our faces!

According to Martin Packard, the police at Myrtou police station 'declined to take an interest' when the cold blooded murder of a Turkish Cypriot family of seven in their own home in Liveras in 1964 was reported to them. There is no statute of limitations on murder in the RoC, and it seems that no investigation was ever conducted into this offence. Those responsible for this murder may well still be alive and have got off scot-free. If what you say above is true, a belated investigation should be launched into this and similar events with a view to identifying the culprits. Is this ever going to happen? The truth is that the demons still lurk.

Tim it is far worse than it sounds. You are actually missing the point. The real leader of the Eoka from 63 onwards was Yorgadjis, which was also then in control of the police force. I personally know of 1 policeman who was a member of eoka in the 60s. He was a GC relation. A member of the YFred clan who converted. If there is one I knew, how many were there in reality. If the truth ever is found you will realise that the the police were heavily involved in the killings. They were the untouchables as well as the Eoka from pre 60 who also became the untouchables after 63.
Truth will never come out, because the state of the justice system in the roc. It's like a cancer which can never be defeated and will take the roc to the grave.
I know what they are all going to say, but before you mention links to the information, I think you know what my answer will be so don't' waste your time.

[boomerang]

hey knucklehead tell me when did turkey admitted any attrocities on the island...actually tell me the status of the cold blooded murderer that murdered a human being while climbing a flag pole...atleast on this one everyone around the world seen his face and know hos identity...

or for the beating of his cousin previously with a couple of "cops" joining the frenzy...

better still how about quit recently with the murder of DT't father in law...

why go back to 74, we have recent cases to consider where the murderers are well known and respected by you knucklehead...

[Tim Drayton]

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to get to the truth you need to have a reconciliation truth commision...avoiding witch hunting coz in the long term it will not serve anyones interest...
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Again, I agree with you 100%. My comments were directed more towards testing the proposition that the RoC is whiter than white and has no demons left, than in seriously calling for everbody to be prosecuted for such acts.

[BirKibrisli]

no, you did make a half ass claim...with claims you need to substantiate these claims...proof expat, proof...

look for the eyewitness account...

Expat...boomerang will not be satisfied till you bring these victims of massacresback to life, to tell him exactly what happened...If you can manage that we will be eternally in your debt...But again,if he doesnt like the eyewitness evidence,boomers will probably tell you that these people are not objective.... You need people who watched the massacres and survived to tell the story...

[YFred]

no, you did make a half ass claim...with claims you need to substantiate these claims...proof expat, proof...

look for the eyewitness account...

Expat...boomerang will not be satisfied till you bring these victims of massacresback to life, to tell him exactly what happened...If you can manage that we will be eternally in your debt...But again,if he doesnt like the eyewitness evidence,boomers will probably tell you that these people are not objective.... You need people who watched the massacres and survived to tell the story...

Even if they were GC witnesses, the resident B'stard will accuse them of being Turkofiles.

[Bananiot]

For them "Turk" is a dirty word. If you want to offend someone you call him Turk or, the more sophisticated Turkish-spawned (tourkosporos). This is the culture of the ultra Greeks, Greek flag waving zombies, the bash patriots, who now want to be remembered for their adherence to human right principles and democracy.

[Malapapa]

For them "Turk" is a dirty word. If you want to offend someone you call him Turk or, the more sophisticated Turkish-spawned (tourkosporos). This is the culture of the ultra Greeks, Greek flag waving zombies, the bash patriots, who now want to be remembered for their adherence to human right principles and democracy.

I have been made to feel guilty and embarrassed for insisting that human rights principles and democracy should be adhered to in Cyprus. And presumably, if I want the same for Turkey, I'm a proponent of the "Big Idea".

[Paphitis]

For them "Turk" is a dirty word. If you want to offend someone you call him Turk or, the more sophisticated Turkish-spawned (tourkosporos). This is the culture of the ultra Greeks, Greek flag waving zombies, the bash patriots, who now want to be remembered for their adherence to human right principles and democracy.

No Cypriot or Greek with half a brain believes that 'Turk" is a dirty word, or uses the word "Tourkosporo'. But we all know that there are some very young fanatics, who usually mellow with maturity, and then we have the downright stupid racists, but I believe no race or nation is immune to that.

The attitude you portray above, was more a thing of the past amongst uneducated Cypriots and Greeks. Times have changed Bananiot, and the young today only view the TC as their equal. We can only wish that the TC has also matured in the same way, so that we can move on and become a democratic nation founded on Human Rights principles for all and on an equal footing.