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[insan]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

Why didn't u integrate with Ottomans then?

[Oracle]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

Why didn't u integrate with Ottomans then?

Apart from the step backwards in civilization which that would have entailed ...

You don't seem to understand what "integrate" means. The Ottomans being the invaders, could integrate with the natives (chose not to, preferring to rule, enslave and subjugate). We would have had to "extegrate" (or disintegrate) which is uncalled for since over thousands of years we have learnt to outpace the invaders (who refused to integrate ... much like yourselves, being edged off, finally to be removed completely).

[BirKibrisli]

....Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy...But please be realistic...To agree to Enosis with Greece would not do...

They should’ve never come here in the first place and those that stupidly did should’ve taken advantage of the 1921-23 relocations to Turkey.

Thanks,GR...That is very realistic indeed...

[BirKibrisli]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

I said something realistic ,Oracle...
To integrate you need a liberal society which will accept you as equals...We were considered little more than pests who stood in the way of Enosis with Greece by the great majority of GCs back then...When and how could we integrate???

[insan]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

Why didn't u integrate with Ottomans then?

Apart from the step backwards in civilization which that would have entailed ...

You don't seem to understand what "integrate" means. The Ottomans being the invaders, could integrate with the natives (chose not to, preferring to rule, enslave and subjugate). We would have had to "extegrate" (or disintegrate) which is uncalled for since over thousands of years we have learnt to outpace the invaders (who refused to integrate ... much like yourselves, being edged off, finally to be removed completely).

So, just like what Greeks did to Kirokitians, Sotirians, Amathusians and all other aboriginals of Cyprus then...

[Oracle]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

I said something realistic ,Oracle...
To integrate you need a liberal society which will accept you as equals...We were considered little more than pests who stood in the way of Enosis with Greece by the great majority of GCs back then...When and how could we integrate???

Seems like you need too much BirKibrisli. How abnormal do you think the TCs are?

Integration is about proving you are capable of fitting in as an equal amongst the well-established indigenous population.

Perhaps some innate superiority prevented the TCs from integrating? Certainly that is what we witness today ... and some things never change.

Or, are you saying today's Cyprus is also "illiberal" that despite a few hundred thousand other nationalities now living and working in Cyrus as equals, the TCs are so super-special they prefer segregation?

[Oracle]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

Why didn't u integrate with Ottomans then?

Apart from the step backwards in civilization which that would have entailed ...

You don't seem to understand what "integrate" means. The Ottomans being the invaders, could integrate with the natives (chose not to, preferring to rule, enslave and subjugate). We would have had to "extegrate" (or disintegrate) which is uncalled for since over thousands of years we have learnt to outpace the invaders (who refused to integrate ... much like yourselves, being edged off, finally to be removed completely).

So, just like what Greeks did to Kirokitians, Sotirians, Amathusians and all other aboriginals of Cyprus then...

All those "aboriginals" were of the same stock which also comprised of the main-lander "Greeks". So it wasn't a matter of the "Greeks" outpacing the "aboriginals" because they were one and the same people who continued to evolve together and contribute to the mosaic which we now know as the Hellenic world and its evocations. Spartans, Chorokitians, Thebans, Sotirians, Athenians, Amathusians etc ... all the same stock!

So we are back to the fact that you, as recent foreign invaders, refused to integrate and we are now seeing the end of that world in which you were masters and rulers.

Hallelujah!

[insan]

... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....

Integrate!

Why didn't u integrate with Ottomans then?

Apart from the step backwards in civilization which that would have entailed ...

You don't seem to understand what "integrate" means. The Ottomans being the invaders, could integrate with the natives (chose not to, preferring to rule, enslave and subjugate). We would have had to "extegrate" (or disintegrate) which is uncalled for since over thousands of years we have learnt to outpace the invaders (who refused to integrate ... much like yourselves, being edged off, finally to be removed completely).

So, just like what Greeks did to Kirokitians, Sotirians, Amathusians and all other aboriginals of Cyprus then...

All those "aboriginals" were of the same stock which also comprised of the main-lander "Greeks". So it wasn't a matter of the "Greeks" outpacing the "aboriginals" because they were one and the same people who continued to evolve together and contribute to the mosaic which we now know as the Hellenic world and its evocations. Spartans, Chorokitians, Thebans, Sotirians, Athenians, Amathusians etc ... all the same stock!

So we are back to the fact that you, as recent foreign invaders, refused to integrate and we are now seeing the end of that world in which you were masters and rulers.

Hallelujah!

Hmmm... what will u say about the below quoted historical passage?

1400 BC Achaeans appear on Cyprus

After Crete was conquered by Achaean tribes, who borrowed cultural and scientific achievements of Cretans, now Cyprus was subject to a similar invasion. The population in continental Greece was growing rapidly, and the lack of fertile lands made Greeks migrate in search for better homes. Cyprus was partly populated by aboriginal nations, who are believed to belong to the same ethnic groups as Cretans ("Eteo-Cretans and Eteo-Cypriots"), partly by Phoenician merchant colonists. For a long time the island was used as an important trading post of peoples of the Mediterranean, so it was rich and prosperous enough to be a dream of aggressors.

Cypriot writing system, the famous "Cypriot Syllabary", was also taken up by Achaeans, but was not used too widely for its complicated structure. Its structure was syllabic, syllables end in a vowel, no distinction was made between voiced, voiceless and aspirated consonants. Nevertheless, on the island documents written in it existed up to the 4th century BC.

The autochthonic population of Cyprus was made slaves, which were called the same as on Crete - mnoitoi. This word probably derives from the name of Minos, a legendary king of Crete.

http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/chron/chron1.html

It clearly seems like Achean Greeks and aboriginals of Cyprus were not from the same stock otherwise why should Acheans invade and make slaves the autochthonic population of Cyprus?

[Oracle]

... It clearly seems like Achean Greeks and aboriginals of Cyprus were not from the same stock otherwise why should Acheans invade and make slaves the autochthonic population of Cyprus?

I was referring to an even earlier time ...

But yes, the city states (independent and sovereign), of what we now know as the Hellenic world, did in fact do battles with each other.

You are wrong to conclude from this that they were not of the same stock.

Ever heard of the Peloponnesian wars? Ever heard of the battles between Thebes and Athens? etc

[insan]

... It clearly seems like Achean Greeks and aboriginals of Cyprus were not from the same stock otherwise why should Acheans invade and make slaves the autochthonic population of Cyprus?

I was referring to an even earlier time ...

But yes, the city states (independent and sovereign), of what we now know as the Hellenic world, did in fact do battles with each other.

You are wrong to conclude from this that they were not of the same stock.

Ever heard of the Peloponnesian wars? Ever heard of the battles between Thebes and Athens? etc

Power wars between Greek city states in around 400-300 BC have nothing to do with Greek invasion of Cyprus in 1400 BC...

Moreover, eteo-Cypriots and Phonecian merchant colonists neither have anything athnically do with Greeks.