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Postby DT. » Sat Dec 26, 2009 9:08 am

BirKibrisli wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Cyprus is divided into two, idiot, right now as we speak.


Bananiot, these people seem to have a few screws loose somehwere...It is okey to have Cyprus divided as long as the world does not recognise it!!!
I totally fail to grasp their logic...Is there one??? Or is it what I suspect...As long as we have the TCs suffocating between us and Turkey,all is fine and dandy...They have this deep hatred of the TCs for stopping their ENOSIS dream...I can't think of anything else... :? :?


Its not OK. In the same spirit that it is far worse to officially partition this island with a carefully crafted confederation plan ready to split in two in the near future.
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:35 am

paliometoxo wrote:where did you see a cypriot saying its ok unrecognised? its not ok but there is nothing we can do about it. For now...

bs bs enosis bs bs blah blah.. you mean the turkish goverment telling the tmt to place bombs on the turkish cypriot door step to start wars so they have excuses to devide the island in two.. and even today continue to destroy anything tc ( which was their excuse for invading ) they are doing the very same thing they came to invade to stop!! Bring in settlers and demand their illigal invasion be legalised and a legal second state the raping of little 13 yr old girls throwing thousands of people out of their homes.. is a peace operation? the bull crap excuses they used to invade the villages they attacked with NO tc presence..

the turks logic? there is none the barbarians that invade and take our land with no real reasons..

enosis dream? taksim dream you mean by the turkish goverment to turkify cyprus


palio,you are doing a disservice to your country and community by been so blindly one-sided...sure the tmt did its best to keep the communities apart and bring about the present situation,but so did the EOKA,and without the demand for ENOSIS we would never have com to this standstill...It is a tragedy that the everage GC is totally ignorant of our sad modern history...Unless you take your blinkers off and apportion the blame equally we will never reunite our beloved island...To start with,tell me one measure the offical RoC government has taken in the past 35 years to foster trust and understanding between the communities...If you can't think of one,the good place to start is by asking some serious questions of the RoC government...Why did they choose their present tactic of isolating and starving the North,instead of trying to win them back???
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Postby BirKibrisli » Sat Dec 26, 2009 10:40 am

DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Cyprus is divided into two, idiot, right now as we speak.


Bananiot, these people seem to have a few screws loose somehwere...It is okey to have Cyprus divided as long as the world does not recognise it!!!
I totally fail to grasp their logic...Is there one??? Or is it what I suspect...As long as we have the TCs suffocating between us and Turkey,all is fine and dandy...They have this deep hatred of the TCs for stopping their ENOSIS dream...I can't think of anything else... :? :?


Its not OK. In the same spirit that it is far worse to officially partition this island with a carefully crafted confederation plan ready to split in two in the near future.


DT,I know your thinking is much more advanced and sophisticated on these matters than the average GC's...Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy...But please be realistic...To agree to Enosis with Greece would not do...
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Postby Bananiot » Sat Dec 26, 2009 11:31 am

The policy of Makarios was to break the spirit of the TC's (how long will they last out in the enclaves?) and then take an easy ride towards the implementation of our political aims (which were of course union with Greece to start with and then, after 1968, disguised union with Greece). We never considered the TC's as our equal citizens/partners. They were always second class citizens, enjoying the status of present day Sri Lankans in Cyprus. I am old enough to have personal experience of this.

This arrogance on our behalf was the norm until 1974 when Turkey invaded Cyprus. In effect we invited Turkey to step in with our fanatic approach to the Cyprus issue which we created in 1963, in our quest to change the agreements to our benefit. Sure TMT had its own agenda of partition but again, sadly, we gave them the ammunition by sending as a free gift to them the disillusioned masses of the democratic-progressive TC's who would naturally oppose the extreme right wingers that TMT represented. We would indiscriminately kill TC's (simply because they were TC) and I was glad to hear Takis Hadjidemetriou on Eirinis programme last Monday, stress this point, by referring to Kutlai Erk's father, who in January 1964, was dragged out of his hospital bed (treated for heart attack) and later found in a well at Parissinos.

This is in a nutshell part of our recent history and it is not difficult to see that we are just as responsible for Turkey's invasion, which could have happened earlier, in 1964 or 1968, but was prevented by our sworn enemies, the Angloamericans!
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Postby Get Real! » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:33 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:....Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy...But please be realistic...To agree to Enosis with Greece would not do...

They should’ve never come here in the first place and those that stupidly did should’ve taken advantage of the 1921-23 relocations to Turkey.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:36 pm

Bananiot wrote: ... In effect we invited Turkey to step in with our fanatic approach to the Cyprus issue which we created in 1963, in our quest to change the agreements to our benefit.


How, and which, proposed changes would have been only "to our benefit"?
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Postby YFred » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:54 pm

Oracle wrote:
Bananiot wrote: ... In effect we invited Turkey to step in with our fanatic approach to the Cyprus issue which we created in 1963, in our quest to change the agreements to our benefit.


How, and which, proposed changes would have been only "to our benefit"?

I'll give you few, it is Xmas after all, to stop Greeks, half Greeks, quarter Greeks, eighth Greeks, sixteenth Greeks........millionth greeks,........billionth greeks settling in Cyprus.

No that would have had some real results for both sides.
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Postby DT. » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:32 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
DT. wrote:
BirKibrisli wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Cyprus is divided into two, idiot, right now as we speak.


Bananiot, these people seem to have a few screws loose somehwere...It is okey to have Cyprus divided as long as the world does not recognise it!!!
I totally fail to grasp their logic...Is there one??? Or is it what I suspect...As long as we have the TCs suffocating between us and Turkey,all is fine and dandy...They have this deep hatred of the TCs for stopping their ENOSIS dream...I can't think of anything else... :? :?


Its not OK. In the same spirit that it is far worse to officially partition this island with a carefully crafted confederation plan ready to split in two in the near future.


DT,I know your thinking is much more advanced and sophisticated on these matters than the average GC's...Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy...But please be realistic...To agree to Enosis with Greece would not do...


Good question Bir, let me think about that one for a realistic reply.
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Postby Oracle » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:35 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:... Tell me one thing the TCs could have done differently in the past (say from 50s onwards) that would've avoided the present catastrophy.....


Integrate!
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Postby Mikiko » Sat Dec 26, 2009 1:51 pm

We invited turkey with underming the zurich agreements at every oportunity
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